What's this??

Hi, I cut my first clutch for this year today and I was a bit surprised when i cut one egg, I didn't know what was in it, could you help me out?

/Jimmyhttp://reptiles72.webs.com/Ormkull1.jpg

It's the one to the left

What was the pairing?

lemon pastelX Normal

Dear Sir,

Those are ball pythons.

Regards,

LizardPants

Hi,

What day did you cut on and what were the incubation temps?


dr del

I would guess a pastel.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LizardPants

Dear Sir,

Those are ball pythons.

Regards,

LizardPants

---

Cute...heh :)

looks like you may have cut them a little too early. The pigmentation doesn't seem fully developed. They almost look hypo to me.

P.S. That snake on the left does look awesome though! I'm gonna say it's a great looking pastel!

it looks pastel to me and that they might have been cut to early.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. Xan Powers!

I want to know whats going on with the top right, personally.

That's a belly....

They were cut on day 55 and the temperature in the incubator has been between 30.5-31 Celsius all the time.

Hmmm,

Those incubation temps are a little low so I agree they are still developing the colour.

I would keep spraying the eggs lightly every day to prevent them drying out and to wash out any scum or film that develops.

Keep us posted on how they develop - it's not something most people get to see. :)


dr del

The reason why I'm asking is because of the unusual pattern on the snake to the left, I've hatched a few pastels before and none of them have had that pattern....

yep pattern is quite unusual almost Spider-ish looking... but that could be because of lover incubation temp... sometimes crazy stuff pop up from normals breeding when ppl mess with temps (to low or too high) ... Keep us posted and Show us them when they hatch completely... Picture of parents will be nice as well...
Good luck :gj:

The temperature hasn't been to cold has it? Last season I incubated all the eggs at the same temperature and cut them open on day 55, why has this happened this time?

I was thinking it looked like a Spider but that would be impossible! The one on the right looks like a very interesting pattern!

seriously the one on the right is the one i'd be questioning!!

update us with pics pleeeeezzz!!!

86-88 is perfectly fine to incubate and at day 55 your color is in. Most fully develop their color beofre day 50 as most mine are piping at day 50-52 incubated at 87.9

By first glance I thought lesserbee on the top left...was the normal female a virgin or has she been bred before?

And I don't understand the interest in the top right? The snake is upside down...what's the questionablility about it?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Luke Martin

By first glance I thought lesserbee on the top left...was the normal female a virgin or has she been bred before?

And I don't understand the interest in the top right? The snake is upside down...what's the questionablility about it?

---

Hmm Sperm retaining from previous breeding cross my mind as well....

Nope, she was a virgin all-right until he bred her and she has never laid eggs or been with another male earlier. The male is a 05' lemon pastel and is very a prooven breeder, since he's the ancestor to almost all the lemon pastels in Sweden..
I don't think it's possible that he's bred another female which had been bred with another male and in some way obtained the other male's sperm, that's impossible.

We will wait for updated pictures with great impatience :taz:

Edit: and Just in case Can we have pictures of parents ??? please pretty please :please:

Maybe the female normal was a really, really, reeeaally browned out pastel and that's a super....?

I have no idea/experience, so that's really a stretch. :P But it'd be pretty nifty.

Here's pictures of their parents:
The first one is the Pastel-father and the second is the Normal-mother

http://reptiles72.webs.com/LP.jpg
http://reptiles72.webs.com/Normal.jpg

ooowooooowww :O easy there... mother is not just normal.... Is nice banned/reduced pattern... and i dont think so that is the case here... but.... she looks.... almost........ like Super extra dirty Enchi... what color eyes are on her ???

Edit: Ok maybe with that enchi I'll go too far but... genetic reduced pattern could explain what You have there.....

I know it's impossible for the parents to be Het Spider but it really looks like a Spider! Can't wait to see it out of the egg!

Mkay this is dont let me sleep so i do some research and i found picture of "dirty" enchi.. anybody see resemblance to Mother on Picture OP provide??

http://www.scottaustinreptiles.com/W...05%5Cenchi.jpg

and That Adult Enchi + Pastel From Worldofballpythons.com

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...pastel/001.jpg

do You see similarity Guys and Girls ??

Of course I see some resemblance, but the "normal"-mother doesn't have quite the characteristics of an enchi. She doesn't have any "enchi"-colours at all. But I'm not sure....

I know and please dont understand me wrong.. i dont wanna put any false hope in you ... I'm just very intrigued.... Please provide us pictures of that little fellow when he/she came out from the egg :D

Ill definately do that, but I'm just curious of what it is, it doesn't look like a normal and not like a pastel either....this is strange...let's just hope that it'll be okay.

I see the banding you're reacting to on the Mom, but there's not enough of it to make an enchi. And definitely not enough color.

But yeah, sure, something could be going on. Let's see what comes out of the eggs first.

Just a quick update on the eggs: There seems to be 3 normals and 5 pastels in this clutch..great odds. And when it comes to the strange looking baby, it's alive, and seems to have a very reduced pattern at the tail.

Whoa, there sure seems to be an interest in this thread...+2000 wiews, amazing:O

Here's another pic of the little baby, here it's laying in a different position
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1/4/gg_001.jpg

Wow exciting clutch ! Can't wait to see them out of the egg.

Looks like they were cut early if you ask me.... but then again op said they werent... so i dunno...

Huh, I would have guessed that they were cut really early too. I can't wait to see them out of the egg!

Grats on something interesting! I have the mother of my first clutch that looks similar to your female... Not quite as banded but reduced pattern.

Here are some pics of her. http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...60#post1535260

Really nice! Keep us updated with the pics please.

If they were cut on day 55 and that was 4/29, this is day 61!!! They gotta be out by now, you are killin us with anticipation jimmy!

I'm thinking its an awesome reduced pattern pastel. Those are the best kind!

No Kidding!!! Where are the baby pics!?!?

Edit: retracted by the department of redundancy department. - LizardPants

DUDE, WHERE'S THE PICS??? :taz::taz::taz::taz:

They may not be out of the egg yet...I HATE waiting for them to get out of the eggs!!!!!

where the update????i want to see the baby come out from the egg!!!dont make me wait any longer.

Sorry, they aren't out off their eggs yet. Not a single one has even showed any attempt to get out off it, I'm beginning to be worried that they'll die inside their eggs. But all off them are still moving and so, but none of them wants to come out....What should I do??

What day did you cut (sorry if you already said)? Do they look dry at all? There really isnt much you can do besides making sure the eggs stay hydrated.

Day 55, the eggs aren't dry at all and I've showered them a few times to make sure that they stay hydrated,

With your incubation temps being a little on the low side its not unexpected for them to take a bit longer for them to come out. If my math is right you should be on Day 63 or so now, I would expect them to pip and start coming out in the next few days.