New Het Pied Marker?

Keep in mind that I am discussing normals/hets and visual single-gene Pieds ONLY. A lot of other visual morphs seem to destroy this "marker" from what I've been able to discern.

I've been paying attention to this particular neck pattern for a few months now. Just about every single visual Pied that I've seen has had some variation of this, and many of the neck patterns actually connect with the two lines on the face. My three don't complete the connection, but they come pretty close.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...2006/pieds.jpg



I don't think I've seen any Het Pied neck patterns connect with the face, but quite a few do start splitting off into the Y pattern. That is the reason for this post, and also why I've remarked that a few of your "normals" might be Het Pieds in a few your picture threads.

Here are two of my Het Pied girls. They both have the neck pattern. My third Het girl doesn't have the pattern, but has the train tracks. One of these two girls has both the neck pattern and the tracks.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...tpiedgirls.jpg


I have been paying attention to the "normal" pics and other non-Pied hets that people have been posting on here and other sites to see if this is just a common pattern, but I don't believe that it is. I think that this potential marker is similar to the train tracks in that it doesn't appear to show in every Het Pied. In fact, from what I've seen, this pattern shows up in a minority of Het Pieds.

Where I believe it is different from the train tracks is that it doesn't appear to show up in non-Het Pieds. I am of the opinion that those few "normals" that have this pattern are in fact "possible" het pieds that were just sold as normals. It could even be that one of the parents is Het for Pied, unbeknownst to the breeder.

So what do you think? Do you have any Hets that have this pattern? Do you have "normals" that have this pattern?

Is this something that has been discussed and disproved already? :P

The "Real marker" isnt the belly. Its actually the top of the snakes tail. Dead give away!!!!

I see what youre saying as far as on the visual pied, but i can't tell what makes the het-pied neck pattern any different from a normal. do you mind explaining a little more? its interesting though! thanks for the topic

I don't see anything different either. Do you mean the larger dark area which is blushed out in the center? The patch which goes between the face stripes and the head stripes?

I had a female 100% het pied last year that did not have that.

And what does the top of the tail have to do with it?

I think they mean the split on the last gold spot on the top

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...g?t=1300486272

My normal does not have this pattern! From what I have seen looking through fauna/kingsnake I see this more often on pieds than het pieds, but not on every het or pied but I will keep an eye out for non pieds with the same pattern.

I'm referring to the gold spot/bar/stripe closest to the head (on the back of the neck). On most BPs this usually has a rounded end. On most visual Pieds and many Het Pieds it begins to split off to join with the gold face stripes.

I've been looking for this for months and I've seen this on a lot of Het Pieds, but not on very many normals or hets for other morphs. My theory is that this is a marker indicative of some, but not all, Het Pieds. Additionally, I don't think that this marker shows itself on non-Het Pieds like the train tracks do.

Yeah, I pulled my two het pieds out to look, but neither has it.

Mr. Nibbles:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_1.../IMG_1009.JPGg

Melvin:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_1...0/IMG_3348.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1...0/IMG_3351.JPG

They've both got the railroad tracks loud and clear, though.

I have seen many snakes have what you are talking about. A lot of NERD's Lemon Pastels have it. I have seen Deserts, Enchis, Mojos, Lessers, Pastels and many more morphs with that Y pattern on the neck.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

I have seen many snakes have what you are talking about. A lot of NERD's Lemon Pastels have it. I have seen Deserts, Enchis, Mojos, Lessers, Pastels and many more morphs with that Y pattern on the neck.

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Like I said, I'm not talking about other morphs. I've seen the pattern in them quite often as well and I understand that most of them are not Het for Pied.

What I'm mainly asking is if anyone has seen normals (or Hets for recessives other than Pied) that have this marking. I'm guessing not, but if so, I would bet on it not being proven, i.e., has yet to produce Pieds after a few clutches with a visual.

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Originally Posted by ChrisGant911

The "Real marker" isnt the belly. Its actually the top of the snakes tail. Dead give away!!!!

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Please explain.

Here is a picture of my 100% Het girl. And she does appear to have the marker you are talking about. Neither one of my normal girls have this marker. If this does in-fact prove to be an accurate marker then let me say "Good Eye!!" :D

http://i56.tinypic.com/s3q5o2.jpg

None of my "normals" seem to be showing this marker. I'll go home and check if my het pieds have this or not.

I checked my het pieds and 0 of 6 have this marker.

0 for 2 here. Small sample, but still its something.

That being said, I have several normals that do have the Y split at the first neck mark and I have zero reason to believe they are in fact het pieds.

If a marker was truly reliable, even the other het pied marker, as in 100% of the time, pieds would no longer be considered recessives.

My Pied has the connecting pattern. Niether of my normals show this marker. I don't think it's consistant enough to mean anything, though.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1861/pumpkin01.png

Mine have this 'marker' not very strong though, only a slight dent in the neck stripe......

..... Also saw a female is a ringer (very low quality) showing a little colour on her belly and up her sides :D

On another note, Kevin of NERD is trying to prove het pied to have a visual effect when mixed into certain combos.