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Will snakes eat hairless rat prey?
I got 5, 2 month old rats from a friend yesterday and they arent really hairless but they are double rexs. pretty much looks like a rex rat with mange.
But Ive heard before that snakes wont eat these guys because they can tell theres something not right about the thin hair and wont eat them.
I was planning on feeding off 4 and keeping one female as a breeder cuz they are so ugly that their cute. So I wanna know if it would be a good idea to keep a female as a breeder or not. Has anyone ever heard of this problem before?
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I feed hairless, double rex, 5 legged, two tailed.... snakes don't care.
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Re: Will snakes eat hairless rat prey?
They'll eat them with no problem - but hairless rats are poor mom's. If you're breeding for productivity - pass on having a hairless as a mom.
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Snakes aren't really visual creatures at all. They go mainly based off of smell, heat and general size of the prey. You should have no problems. :P
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Re: Will snakes eat hairless rat prey?
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Originally Posted by rabernet
They'll eat them with no problem - but hairless rats are poor mom's. If you're breeding for productivity - pass on having a hairless as a mom.
really? ive never heard of hairless in particular being poor moms.
Although these are double rex's not exactly hairless. Suppose you just had bad luck or is this a universal fact that they make poor moms?
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Hairless make horrible moms. I usually foster the pups out.
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True hairless moms don't do well, double rex moms do just fine.
I have fed hundreds of double rex's, snakes like them equally well, lol
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Double rex usually do just fine as breeders or feeders. In my personal experience, most patchworks and all of the hairless females I have tried out as breeders are a no go. I either have had to keep an outstanding mommy rat with them or I have had to foster out the pups.
Basically, I have 2 hairless females that are nothing more than kind of neat, sitting in a breeding tub right now.
The het hairless female and male breeding groups (double rex) that I have are the ones that are successfully producing hairless pups for me though. That has been a very fun little project.
After three generations, I am finally producing blue, agouti, hooded and normal hairless dumbos. Very cute.
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Re: Will snakes eat hairless rat prey?
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Originally Posted by mues155
really? ive never heard of hairless in particular being poor moms.
Although these are double rex's not exactly hairless. Suppose you just had bad luck or is this a universal fact that they make poor moms?
I've never bred hairless, because it's a universal fact that they are weak mothers - with weak litters. Don't know about double rex's though.
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Double rex patchwork is just a hair trait, it doesn't have anything to do with how well they lactates and they do fine as moms.
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I've actually heard that hairless is a good substitute for an asf. I have a friend that I used to get my rats from and he had a few really picky snakes feeding them hairless got them back on food. So the snakes don't care at all.
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Re: Will snakes eat hairless rat prey?
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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl
Double rex patchwork is just a hair trait, it doesn't have anything to do with how well they lactates and they do fine as moms.
Question? How hairless does a patchwork have to be to be considered hairless? I have a few that are somewhere in between there. Does anyone have pictures that may help?
It is possible that the non-productive females I have are more double rex than hairless (they only have hair on their bellies/lower sides). But they still do not care for litters.
In any case it would be awesome to gain some clarification. It does seem that I have some patchwork females that do ok raising litters, while the ones that have less hair do not do well. I would say the ones that are lest than 30% covered in hair.
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Patchworks can never be considered true hairless as true hairless is a recessive trait completely different than the Dominate rex trait that a double rex patchwork is.
I don't have pics but one of my partners has several almost completely naked double rex moms that have no problems nursing their young.
He can also get his hairless moms to feed 2 or 3 kits but that's about it, they do lactate but not enough to feed a whole litter so he passes the babies out to other moms.
I've gone away from double rex's except in my dwarf lines but I will say some of the nicest rex coats I've made have come from double rex to standard coat.
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Re: Will snakes eat hairless rat prey?
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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl
Patchworks can never be considered true hairless as true hairless is a recessive trait completely different than the Dominate rex trait that a double rex patchwork is.
I don't have pics but one of my partners has several almost completely naked double rex moms that have no problems nursing their young.
He can also get his hairless moms to feed 2 or 3 kits but that's about it, they do lactate but not enough to feed a whole litter so he passes the babies out to other moms.
I've gone away from double rex's except in my dwarf lines but I will say some of the nicest rex coats I've made have come from double rex to standard coat.
Ok....more questions. So far I fallow you.
The "hairless" females I have I picked up at a pet store. They were labeled as such, but I am about 90% sure they are double rex patchwork. It there any way to tell just by looking at them? I also, have a male "hairless" that I picked up in town at another store. When comparing the two sets of rats, I can tell that the male has far less hair, as he is 100% nekked. I would guess, that my females are indeed double rex patchwork, and the male would be hairless.
If I were to breed the two together, I would have no luck producing hairless, correct? I would make hets, but I would not get anything visually hairless?
On another note, I have another male that is a rex. He looked like a patchwork when he was about 6 weeks old, but has since grown a full coat of curly hair.
I have bred him to 3 different females, and then bred his offspring together. from this, I have gotten what appear to be some hairless but could also be patchwork with a reduced amount of fur (about 25%), I have also gotten definant patchwork, rex, and normal coated rats.
The ones that appear to be hairless ar now 8 weeks old, and do not have fur. Would they still be considered double rex patchwork because of their genetics?
I have checked out the afrma website, but they do not mention much about patchworks or acutal genetic for hairless/patchwork. Thanks in advance for answering these questions.
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