For crying out loud.

Anybody else see this?

http://www.kingsnake.com/blog/index.php?url=archives/465-Wisconsin-town-sneaks-through-exotics-ban-after-keeper-is-bitten.html&serendipity[csuccess]=true#feedback

It seems as if all it takes is for one careless keeper to screw it up for everyone. More of it is from a knee jerk reaction to just up and ban animals by our Government. This is really starting to get out of hand and piss me off. (sorry for my language)

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Hope no one is breeding there.

sent from my EVO

It only takes one law like this pushed through- before you know it, it'll have snuck it's way into other places too. Hope the breeders will rally people to fight it, or at the very least have a Grandfather Clause.
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ok well, personally i dont think it'd be smart for anyone to own anything venomous...as pets anyways, for the simple reason such as these.
if the owners of hots would be smart about their handling practices then these bites wouldn't happen at all.
(for those owners of hots here that ARE smart with their handling practices, this comment does not apply to you).
ok now before ya'll yell at me, i will add that the bans/restrictions on the NON venomous species is rediculous, well, accept for the fact that the reason the ban was put on the very large species (10+ ft.) is because people are releasing them cuz they're too big to handle or too expensive to feed.
it's a no brainer really...
do your research people (not you bp.net peeps) and find out the adult size of the animal you wanna buy BEFORE you buy it. answer 2 very simple questions:
1) can i afford to feed this animal throughout it's life? &
2) can i provide the adequate housing/environment this animal will need throughout it's life?
if either of your answers to those questions is uncertainty or no then DO NOT buy that animal!
common sense.
anyhow, sorry for having to agree with some of the points in the article.
please dont hate me for my being able to see the common sense behind these things.
it's the people that are doing stupid things that are ruining it for the rest of the reptile owning community, not the politicians imposing the bans.

The big problem there is they didn't include any kind of grandfather clause. If they aren't/don't/didn't it's a good chance when/if other states follow suit like a bunch of lemmings, they won't include it either.

ok i'm not understanding...what's a grandfather clause for?

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

ok well, personally i dont think it'd be smart for anyone to own anything venomous...as pets anyways, for the simple reason such as these.
if the owners of hots would be smart about their handling practices then these bites wouldn't happen at all.

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This is the very reason our hobby is in trouble. The majority of us are very cautious and handle our animals with care. But, there will always be accidents, and mistakes. No matter what you cannot be 100% safe with everything.

Just because someone screwed up, the whole hobby should be banned?
And, why is it up to us to determine if someone is allowed to carry a hot? Why shouldn't it be their decision if that's what they want and are responsible about it?

I think they should be licensed to carry hots, but if that's what they want then it's their decision. If you want to take that risk, I think you should be very able to make that choice.

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ok i'm not understanding...what's a grandfather clause for?

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A portion of a statute that provides that the law is not applicable in certain circumstances due to preexisting facts.

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In other words, if you already have a reptile before the ban, you can keep it.

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

I think they should be licensed to carry hots, but if that's what they want then it's their decision. If you want to take that risk, I think you should be very able to make that choice.

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Bingo! I think that if a person is interested in owning a hot, and they haven't before, they should offer classes and make them get a license for it.

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Just because someone screwed up, the whole hobby should be banned?

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Yeah, that's like me punishing my youngest daughter for something my oldest did, completely away from where the youngest was.

i do not by any means think it's ok for these people to banish the hobby for ALL of us because of one, or a few people's mistakes. i'm sorry i failed to clarify that.
however, i feel that if someone who owns hots gets bit by their animal due to their own stupidity and not a genuine accident, then that person should be banned from ever owning them again.
right, owning hots SHOULD be someone's choice but i agree with the licensing idea cuz you cant just approve every nick, harry & joe owning a hot just cuz they want it. there should be some kind of strict regulations and a looooong arduous painstaking process they should have to undergo.
that right there would weed out the careless people cuz they wont want to go through the whole process unless they're really serious about it.
the logic behind that is simply this,
if they have to jump through a buttload of hoops to get something they want such as a venomous snake, for example, they'll take better care of it right? cuz they'll appreciate all the hard work they had to put into getting it, hence lessening the chances of them making a stupid mistake.

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

i do not by any means think it's ok for these people to banish the hobby for ALL of us because of one, or a few people's mistakes. i'm sorry i failed to clarify that.
however, i feel that if someone who owns hots gets bit by their animal due to their own stupidity and not a genuine accident, then that person should be banned from ever owning them again.
right, owning hots SHOULD be someone's choice but i agree with the licensing idea cuz you cant just approve every nick, harry & joe owning a hot just cuz they want it. there should be some kind of strict regulations and a looooong arduous painstaking process they should have to undergo.
that right there would weed out the careless people cuz they wont want to go through the whole process unless they're really serious about it.
the logic behind that is simply this,
if they have to jump through a buttload of hoops to get something they want such as a venomous snake, for example, they'll take better care of it right? cuz they'll appreciate all the hard work they had to put into getting it, hence lessening the chances of them making a stupid mistake.

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Yeah, this sounds a lot better. Thanks for clarifying.

I just read it as "nobody should own hots because they are dangerous." And, decided to rant a little :) I do think people should be licensed to own hots, there is very special care in owning them. However, I think they should be able to do it. I loved watching Kevin (NERD?) handle his beautiful hots. Wow. Drool!

Have you seen that video. It's amazing.

Ya Kevins rattlers are crazy insane. He loves them. I agree with people having to go through not only a certification process as well as a licensing process. They should show that they can house and provide for them and not just know the information to take a few tests and get a permit. I think the same for the big snakes too and crocs, and large liZards. But as for this pushing the ban crap through... How is that due process. It's just disgusting a legislator can push something through without even caring about what the constituents that put him in that office care to say about it. That person is doing this for his own publicity, special intreats group political gain, and his own interests. I hope he dent get reelected and I hope there plenty of breeders and reptile owners in that area to push him to back down. 2 snakes? That's bs. Screw you. A ball gets with in that size but if you can only own 2. That will put every breeder in that area out of business. It horrendous that he would do such a thing based off of one rediculous mistake that some idiot made. Ban hots, but really 2 snakes, and 10 geckos. Ya ok. I have 20x that in one room. I dont even want to think about how many the big breeder have. That's disrespectful to the people that put you in office. There should always be a grandfather clause as well as a grace period to share your views so that the law could be made in a more appropriate way.

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How is that due process. It's just disgusting a legislator can push something through without even caring about what the constituents that put him in that office care to say about it. That person is doing this for his own publicity, special intreats group political gain, and his own interests.

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Welcome to the workings of our Government in a whole.

again sorry for not clarifying certain points. :oops:

:rolleye2: oy this is crazy!

I sort of wish there was like a test involved in owning things like hots, maybe even giant pythons. Instead of just paying for a license and picking up the animal, they would have to show they have knowledge of the animal, almost like a drivers license? It could help the animals as well, as the person would at least have to know SOMETHING about the care of the animal! I personally met a guy who paid to be allowed to have a burmese..which he keeps in a laundry basket. :O Idiot!!

Situations like this are terrible! :mad:

So I was looking at some old articles about python related deaths that lead us up to these new laws, most of them are from 2009, and wondering to myself why theses owners who have these pythons that are getting out and killing small children are not being charged with child endangerment, neglect and abuse? There is no mention of any of these charges due to their stupidity! Again, this pisses me off! :cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r::cens0r:

sad example of my state right now. I am used to the bans since the nearby major cities have a blanket ban on all snakes regarding them as wildlife. except pet stores still sell snakes and the law turns a blind eye to them.

Then there has to be some kind of loophole or grandfather clause that pertains directly to pet stores or even reptile places and breeders.

I just hate the fact that because some got bit by a HOT SNAKE that our non-venoumous snakes are put on the line! That's just downright stupid in my book. That's like banning house cats because someone got bit by a lion. :mad: