Dinker Project Offspring Photos..opinions wanted

Last year I bred an '09 CH dark male to a '?? dark pet store rescue (she had some scarring and stuck shed, but after a lengthy quarantine she gave me 9 healthy eggs). The female has no known genetic history (hets, parents, etc).

I'd love your opinions on the babies' inheritance based on their features compared to the parents.

The babies are 5 months old today. They are named after brown/yellow Crayola colors (as you'll see in their pics).

Mom will be bred back to one of her sons this season. I'd also like to ask for everyone's opinion as to which of the three sons you'd choose, and why (see next thread).

Here's Mom:
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...32611_logo.jpg
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...belly_logo.jpg

And Dad:
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...32611_logo.jpg
Dad's baby belly shot
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...09_belly-1.jpg
Dad's baby pic
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...1909_top-1.jpg

Females:
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...32611_logo.jpg

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...32611_logo.jpg

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http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...32611_logo.jpg

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...32611_logo.jpg

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...32611_logo.jpg

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...32611_logo.jpg

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All of them have the same general belly patterns: clear with some small amount of speckling near the tail. Here's some examples:

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...belly_logo.jpg

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...22410_logo.jpg

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...belly_logo.jpg

Wow those patterns have some really crazy things going on.

:D I don't know anything except they are gorgeous!

Looks like a Genetic granite male as babies have granite looks

Thanks all.

I think there is some type of granite inheritance also from the dad. One problem I think I face with the outcome of this clutch is that both the mom and dad have very dark, nearly black ground color. The dad's has a great iridescent property too. I am not sure if the babies are getting it from dad, or mom, or both, because they are all very dark :confused:

I kept back the whole clutch. When the females are of breeding size a few of them will be bred back to dad and a few to their brothers to try to figure out what inheritable genetics, if any, are at play.

This season mom will be bred back to one of her sons. I'd love opinions on which of the males people would suggest breeding back and why (color? pattern? etc.) either in this post, or my other post that I made for this particular topic. She didn't ovulate last year until July. The boys should be big enough before then. All three are within about 30g of each other.

i'm curious why the inbreeding? doesnt inbreeding lead to health problems & stuff?
forgive my ignorance, i'm merely just asking...

Those are some freaky looking patterns:gj::gj:
First thing I thought I saw was a Lori Ball but I dont know:confused::confused:

Def some granite in there though

Here's my opinion on this clutch. Lookin at mom and dad, mom looks pretty normal to me, but dad exhibits some granitey goodness that shows to be inheritable, as shown by most of the offspring. What I love among the clutch was female number 1 (Sienna). I love her pattern and very high flames. As for the males, If you intend on breeding one to mom, I suggest trying male number one (Brass). As he's the one exhibiting almost the same trait as dad. But if you have the time, here's another suggestion. try keepin one of the female and breed it back to dad. :)

Of those boys, I'd pick Brass to breed back to mom because he seems to have the most of the granite pattern and dark color. Mahogany would be second, and may be one I'd use as the back-up male if Brass didn't seem to be doing the job.

There seems to be something going on in them. Especially with Sienna, Seipa, Bittersweet and Brass. They all have some nice high flames and nice dark patterns.

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

i'm curious why the inbreeding? doesnt inbreeding lead to health problems & stuff?
forgive my ignorance, i'm merely just asking...

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Because they are imported and unknown history parents, the breeding back to parents and siblings is necessary to pair any alleles that the original parents may be carrying for a homozygote. Otherwise you may never get them by pairing the offspring with other animals in hopes that they might be carrying the same genes.

Because the parents are not related, the inbreeding is less critical. I would not breed F2 offspring together.

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Originally Posted by Chris Rossi

There seems to be something going on in them. Especially with Sienna, Seipa, Bittersweet and Brass. They all have some nice high flames and nice dark patterns.

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Thanks! Those four are the nicest in my opinion also. They really look like the dad when he was a baby.

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Originally Posted by MakiMaki

Of those boys, I'd pick Brass to breed back to mom because he seems to have the most of the granite pattern and dark color. Mahogany would be second, and may be one I'd use as the back-up male if Brass didn't seem to be doing the job.

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Thanks for the opinion! Brass seems to be a favorite between most of the responses (in the other thread). You're the first to say why though :)

Nice dark babies, I like the mini flames on some of them. gives them contrast.:)

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Originally Posted by Pinoy Pythons

Here's my opinion on this clutch. Lookin at mom and dad, mom looks pretty normal to me, but dad exhibits some granitey goodness that shows to be inheritable, as shown by most of the offspring. What I love among the clutch was female number 1 (Sienna). I love her pattern and very high flames. As for the males, If you intend on breeding one to mom, I suggest trying male number one (Brass). As he's the one exhibiting almost the same trait as dad. But if you have the time, here's another suggestion. try keepin one of the female and breed it back to dad. :)

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Hey, thanks for the opinions! brass seems to be the one everyone would breed back to mom.

All the girls are staying with me. Breeding back to dad is definitely in the future. I only get to focus on mom this year though because only the boys might be large enough :)

Wow! That would be a tough call! They're definitely unique looking, and gorgeous!

If they're all just 'normals', I'd love to have any of them. They're great 'normals', if they are.

Just be sure to keep us updated on the results, and good luck!

I don't know much yet about the different types of morphs, and breeding them to bring out more of the "desired" traits/characteristics (I'm definitely studying and learning though...lol) However, I do know when I see some very beautiful snakes, and you appear to have some beautiful ball pythons. I wish you luck breeding them:):snake::D:snake:;)

As far as individual pythons go, not looking to breeding back to mom OR dad, I like UMBER the best. :D

I just picked up this dinker female from ghana this year she looks like your male when he was a baby but she is alot darker but the granite type pattern is very very similiar.. tell me what you think...

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/...anafemale2.jpg

thanks
Greg jeffery

She's gorgeous! They do look very similar. Good luck with her :gj: