panda pied, How many now?

So I know ever since the first panda pied came out every one has a project to get one but how many are out there now

Not enough... I still can't afford one. lol

I think Ian at Outback is still the only one ever to produce just the one Panda Pied.

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panda pied, How many now?

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Not enough...not enough:(

How is the Panda Pied produced??

Super Black Pastel Pied x Super Black Pastel Het Pied

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Originally Posted by Monster Dodge

Super Black Pastel Pied x Super Black Pastel Het Pied

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Plus
Black pastel het pied x black pastel het pied
Black pastel pied x bla bla bla

I thought Ralph had one/some also

What does a super black pastel look like? Does it resemble a super cinny? Ive seen thousands of black pastels for sale but I have not seen a super black pastel. I saw the panda pied in daytona a few years ago and loved it

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Originally Posted by Denial

What does a super black pastel look like? Does it resemble a super cinny? Ive seen thousands of black pastels for sale but I have not seen a super black pastel. I saw the panda pied in daytona a few years ago and loved it

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A super Black Pastel is a solid black snake with a white belly, it's also known as the 8 Ball Python.

I'm waiting to see a "panda pied" with a Suma ball....Although I don't know because it's a little more brown I would call it something else....Like "Grizzly Pied". :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTHkZBqVoM

So if I start now with my pieds and my Cinni's I am at the least 2 breedings away from a chance at a Panda Peid?

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Originally Posted by Clint Bundy

So if I start now with my pieds and my Cinni's I am at the least 2 breedings away from a chance at a Panda Peid?

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Im theory yes

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

Im theory yes

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IMO, a lot easier than a double recessive.

im working on panda pied's, and close to making albino pieds as well spent lots of money to get some important players.

Lance

I should have some Panda Pieds and Dreamsicles in just a few short years :D

^^^^ I'm a pied fan haha

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Originally Posted by Clint Bundy

So if I start now with my pieds and my Cinni's I am at the least 2 breedings away from a chance at a Panda Peid?

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Yes, but you have to raise a female up to breeding size from your first breeding, so the second breeding will be years down the road.

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Originally Posted by Agent73

A super Black Pastel is a solid black snake with a white belly, it's also known as the 8 Ball Python.

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thought the cinny/black pastel was the 8 ball?

Is the super cinny pied considered the same thing?

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Originally Posted by koloo921

Is the super cinny pied considered the same thing?

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I think the true panda pied is refered to the one that's pure black spots on pure white snake. All the rest with brown or even deep brown spotted ones are only called super cinny/black pastel pied.

Do you honestly think that any snake at 1500g will hold it's "solid black" color? Our "black" ball pythons are not truly black. They are usually a very dark brown and sometimes a dark grey color. A black mexican king snake is black.. I have yet to see what is legitimately a black ball python. Even if they hatch at a very dark color as to almost seem black, it will not last, or at least I have never witnessed an account where it has lasted. With only a handful of super cinny/black pastel pieds in existence I will find it hard to believe that 4 out of 5 of them are not being called panda pieds because they are not jet black. ;)

it has held its black color through the times... still very dark black today. added more scales of black around the eyes and random spots on the body too.

Just to clear a few things up on the pandas. I am working with this morph currently and will be breeding a super black het pied to a black het pied. In theory that can produce the panda. The super cinny cannot produce a panda pied. A true panda pied is a super black pied. Not a super cinny pied. There is more to it then just produce it with the right ingredients. The odds of producing a panda even with a super black het to a super black het are horrible. But the fascination is the panda is a double homo gene. The panda is a genetic powerhouse. Theres a reason only one has been produced as of now that we know of. My panda project is ians line of black pastel pieds so im hoping to strike the one in a million shot but ill be happy with a black pastel pied.

Yep, super cinny pieds look nothing the same of course.

I plan on making a super black some time in the future. Love the all black with white belly. Gorgeous snakes.

From Michael Cole's fb page
Here is the panda pied now ..
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5315230_n.jpg

Pretty snake. Still.

Such a hot combo. So gorgeous


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Dang, that panda is such an insane snake.

Can we please call the super cinny pied a cow pied? Please?

Can you not make a panda pied from a cinnamon pied x cinnamon het. pied?

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Dang, that panda is such an insane snake.

Can we please call the super cinny pied a cow pied? Please?

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super cinny pied thus far has only promised to be a "toupee" snake

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Originally Posted by Cody_St_Cyr

Can you not make a panda pied from a cinnamon pied x cinnamon het. pied?

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No, it doesn't work the same, see above

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snake lab
The odds of producing a panda even with a super black het to a super black het are horrible.

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I'm not sure 1 in 4 is considered horrible :confused:
That would be a dream breeding ;)
Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/logo.png

That's my plan, Jerry. Eventually. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

super cinny pied thus far has only promised to be a "toupee" snake



No, it doesn't work the same, see above

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Any pics of the super cinny pied? I was only aware of the one panda that Michael has.

i am only aware of the panda as well. i have not heard of any of the above crosses being produced except for the one ian g produced. now i dont know everyone so its def a possability but unless its being kept on the DL i think we would have all seen pics of the others produced.
adam jeffery

There is only the one panda.

yes but cinny pied only has toupee so it was hypothesized that super cinny pied would work the same. A black pastel pied has more of a high white normal pied look.

I LOVE the Panda Pied. I can't wait to have some hatching. That will be a great day.

And as I am aware, there are only a few in existance.

Yep, as far as we know, Heather.

People are quick to say only one, but the truth is there could be a few more. I have seen mentions of it, just no pics.

That is one hot snake. That is true though, their is no telling how many their are. Most likely very few.

Theres only one

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Theres only one

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You don't know that. You don't know every single snake breeder in the world. Stop being arrogant and ignorant.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I'm not sure 1 in 4 is considered horrible :confused:
That would be a dream breeding ;)
Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/logo.png

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Heck, even if you bred a black pastel het pied x black pastel het pied, you still have a 1/16 chance on a panda pied. If you had a few female black pastel het pieds, you'd have a decent chance. Surprised a few more haven't showed up yet.

Their could have been some produced this past season. Their is no way of telling.

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Originally Posted by johnmauser

Heck, even if you bred a black pastel het pied x black pastel het pied, you still have a 1/16 chance on a panda pied. If you had a few female black pastel het pieds, you'd have a decent chance. Surprised a few more haven't showed up yet.

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Wow, that is surprising. I'll have to add that to my future project. Those are absolutely stunning snakes.

We missed the odd on three clutches of them this season, but next season our super black het pied girls will be up to size so we should hit the odds again!

They are a very hard animal to make our line has been 100% kink free and perfect so hopefully there will be another panda come spring.. let it be a male, please let itbea male.. lol..

We are hatching a few odd animals from this line as well, such as the gold leaf that hatched last week.. pics will be up shortly..just waiting for a shed and a few meals before pics go up.

From what we know no one has made another panda yet..we have not realeased any blackor super black het pied females until the one we posted last week so I bet a lot of them are still being grown up for breeding... a hard snaketo make when its a black het x black het breeding.

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Originally Posted by josh@outbackreps

We missed the odd on three clutches of them this season, but next season our super black het pied girls will be up to size so we should hit the odds again!

They are a very hard animal to make our line has been 100% kink free and perfect so hopefully there will be another panda come spring.. let it be a male, please let itbea male.. lol..

We are hatching a few odd animals from this line as well, such as the gold leaf that hatched last week.. pics will be up shortly..just waiting for a shed and a few meals before pics go up.

From what we know no one has made another panda yet..we have not realeased any blackor super black het pied females until the one we posted last week so I bet a lot of them are still being grown up for breeding... a hard snaketo make when its a black het x black het breeding.

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thanks for your input! :) Good luck with the odds! Saw that ad and drooled. Lol.

Thanks for the input, that is an amazing snake. The super cinnys and super black pastel are some of my favorites.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

yes but cinny pied only has toupee so it was hypothesized that super cinny pied would work the same. A black pastel pied has more of a high white normal pied look.

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Have you seen the "super cinny" pied? You may be thinking of my pewter pied.

Told ya. Theres only one

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Have you seen the "super cinny" pied? You may be thinking of my pewter pied.

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Nope, was thinking about this one, but toupee was a loosely used term i may have confused some on, my bad. Full head rather.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/cinnamon-pied/

And the black pastel pied has more spots on its body and not just a head. Found a pic on fauna earlier today to make sure, from FIREball.

Have not been able to confirm production of super cinny pied, can't find any pics, but I know there are some out there working on it and looking at a cinny pied, it is a good guesstimation that the super cinny pied will also only have head color.


Snake lab - even Outback Reptiles are humble enough to say "that we know of," so I recommend ceasing to sound like a know it all.

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTHkZBqVoM

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Beautiful snake, but I have to admit the Phantom of the Opera soundtrack made me laugh. Just a *little* dramatic there.