Odd eye ASf!

I was cleaning tubs tonight and came across this little girl! I love it! She has one black eye and one red!

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I Can't decide. Which male should I breed her with?

Male 1 (High white, tan spot, red eyes)
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Male 2 (High white, dark spot ,black eyes, odd ear)
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Hold back group
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Lovely! Just wonderful!

It's REALLY unfortunate that odd-eye is not genetic at all. It would be just lovely to be able to breed for it. So honestly, it doesn't matter who you breed her to. ;)

Thanks, I'm disappointed that it is not genetic. Anyways which male should I use???? Who ever gets the most votes is getting her:)

I would do the one with 'odd ear' markings. If anything has the chance of bringing up another odd eye, it might be that.

On another point, if you're ever going to get rid of the odd-eye, please don't feed her off!
I'd love to have her in one of my pet-only colonies, just to look at. :)

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

I would do the one with 'odd ear' markings. If anything has the chance of bringing up another odd eye, it might be that.

On another point, if you're ever going to get rid of the odd-eye, please don't feed her off!
I'd love to have her in one of my pet-only colonies, just to look at. :)

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I was leaning towards the odd ear boy myself:) It might not be able to be explained by genetics, but I'm interested in doing some tests. I pulled her out of the feeder tub when I noticed her eyes. I'm leaning on putting her into the odd ear breeding group to see what happens.:D

i wish i could get some of those white ones....

Amazing ASFs! Please keep us posted on the results! I would love to know if she passes on the odd-eyes after all. My understanding was that there was a genetic component to odd-eye.

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Originally Posted by Sushi Dragons

Amazing ASFs! Please keep us posted on the results! I would love to know if she passes on the odd-eyes after all. My understanding was that there was a genetic component to odd-eye.

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Thanks:) It will be a few months because she is young, but I will keep you posted!

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Originally Posted by Sushi Dragons

Amazing ASFs! Please keep us posted on the results! I would love to know if she passes on the odd-eyes after all. My understanding was that there was a genetic component to odd-eye.

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There is no genetic code for odd-eye. It's more having to do with placement of markings, and carrying dilutions.

In mice, splashing can sometimes cause odd-eye markings, because the dilutions are patchy, and can effect the colours of the eyes that the dilutions fall on, or don't fall on.

There is no odd-eye gene that changes one eye to one colour and one eye to another colour. :P

This thread was really enlightening, I always thought that having one eye a different color from the other was genetic. Is it genetic in other species or did I read wrong? I thought it was genetic in humans sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Miko

This thread was really enlightening, I always thought that having one eye a different color from the other was genetic. Is it genetic in other species or did I read wrong? I thought it was genetic in humans sometimes.

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I'm not sure about other animals. But in rats, ASFs, and mice, there is no specific gene that causes it. -Everything- about any animal can be said to be genetic, -but- there is no gene for odd-eye in these rodents like there is a gene for, say, Agouti (A/* in rats and mice).

I'll see what I can find about other animals. :)

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

I'm not sure about other animals. But in rats, ASFs, and mice, there is no specific gene that causes it. -Everything- about any animal can be said to be genetic, -but- there is no gene for odd-eye in these rodents like there is a gene for, say, Agouti (A/* in rats and mice).

I'll see what I can find about other animals. :)

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Heterochromia in cats can be caused when the white spotting gene is present, and when in the womb, the white spotting gene prevents pigment (rarely) from forming on one eye. Usually the white spotting gene effects only the coat and skin, but it can sometimes block pigment from forming on one eye.

This sounds like what is happening on this ASF. Since they have a lot of modifiers making their white spotting extremely large, so i could imagine that the rate of odd-eye in high white ASFs (and rats and mice), is higher as it is in cats.

I hope that is more enlightening. It definitely helped my understanding of odd-eye a little more. :)

Thanks! I googled it and the word heterochromia came up a lot. I wish having two different eye colors was a morph. That would be so cool.

What I would do personally is put her with a male that has a lot of husky-like patterns. From my understanding from the little research I did and the selective breeding I did, it's based on coat color/pattern.

Odd-eyes: Not controlled by a single gene but in association with white spotting such as American Husky S/s and H(e)

I have proven this. I had gotten a huge colony of husky rex rats to breed for genetics. I produced several odd eyed rats from this colony. I do not believe odd eyed to be associated with the rex gene but I do believe it to be associated with the husky gene based off of my selective breeding and other breeders who have had the same experiences.

This, of course, is normal rats and not ASF's.

I would think that if you choose a male, that has a similar things going on as that of a husky rat, you will have a lot more of a chance to get odd eyed ASF's. I think my ratio was one odd eyed rat out of every 30+ babies from husky group

In addition, if you can remember the parents of this baby, that would be helpful. I would try and breed ASF's that seem to have more of a husky pattern to them and see what you get. I think that the husky pattern in rats holds the key to the odd eyed gene.

I might also breed dad to her to see what you would get (if they're not already too closely related)

AFRMA as well as some rat breeders I have worked with seem to think that if you breed an odd eyed to another odd eyed, your chances increase in getting more odd eyed. i have not done this personally so it's hearsay but I would definitely try that if you get more.

Fingers Crossed for you :)

Thanks:) That is very interesting. I wish I could figure out the parents. I found her in my feeder tub .:( I do know my one group is producing odds like 1 n 6 of the odd ears. I cant wait to get a odd eared group breeding! I also produced a couple of black eyed whites this week to throw in the mix:D

Heck Yeah! :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)

This is what I thought when I heard odd-eye. Basically happens when zygotes fuse, and unfortunately is not genetic (it's rare too, and may be slightly genetic only to the extend of offspring/zygotes tending towards it).

Who knows. Definitely update us when she has her first litter :).

heterochromia is when something has two different colored irises, it is not genetic in humans as far as I know. But it is super neat. It can happen between both eyes (so one eye one color, one eye another color) or partially in one eye. It when they are two distinct different colors, not when someone has a nevus (freckle) in the eye. Thats something else.

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heterochromia is when something has two different colored irises, it is not genetic in humans as far as I know. But it is super neat. It can happen between both eyes (so one eye one color, one eye another color) or partially in one eye. It when they are two distinct different colors, not when someone has a nevus (freckle) in the eye. Thats something else.

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Certain forms of it are genetic.

Certain types of odd-eye in mice are genetic and inheritable too. A woman that breeds splashed and tri colour mice in several different colours on the west coast, has one every few litters. I suspect the heterochromia in her lines, is genetic. :)

I have odd-eyes in my mice every once in a while, but it's ruby and dark ruby, and never black and red. :(

I found another odd eye! I have had her in my hold back tank for a few months and never noticed. Her eye is a darker red than my other odd eye.

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She makes me wonder how many I have produced and missed.

Updated picture of my other odd eye!

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She was bred to the odd ear male, and I'm waiting for her babies eyes to open:) I'll post pictures when they do!

Zomg i want one! :mad:

I found another:D I'm starting to look more closely at some of my hold backs and found another. I'm starting to suspect something going on. I won't know for sure until I can produce a male and make a odd eyed pair. So far, all three are females.

This little girl is an odd eye too! It is very hard to see. She has one black eye and one very dark maroon/ red eye. I guess you could call her an odd eyed white?

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She's ruby and black eyed! Neat. :D
You would call it a black eyed white with ruby odd-eye.

I WANT ONE, WOMAN! You better save them for me. (:<

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She's ruby and black eyed! Neat. :D
You would call it a black eyed white with ruby odd-eye.

I WANT ONE, WOMAN! You better save them for me. (:<

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Thanks! I'm holding back all of them so far! I'm hoping to create a group of them. If all goes well, I should have some for you in the near future:)

The ruby odd eyes are hard to pick out of a crowd. I'm going to start inspecting them with a flash light before feeding.

Yay! :D

It would be interesting if you had a line of inheritable odd-eye.