Why are people such hippocrits (sorry if I spelt it wrong)?

I went to the pet store today to pick up a feeder rat and a "friend" of mine was in the car with me (we just know each other thats why I quoted "friend"). I told him I needed to stop by the pet store real quick to pick up a rat. I went in, got the rat, and got back in the car. He asked what the rat was for and I told him it was for my snake. Then he made this huge "GASP!!!" and literally started crying his eyes out. I asked him what was his problem and he said "how could you feed a cute little rat to a mean snake?".

I really didin't know how to respond. I told him the beef and chicken he eats doesn't grow on trees and that living bretahing animals are killed for it. I garuntee you that cow went through a hell of a lot more pain that this rat will. Yet he says thats "different". How is that different you fool?

Some people....ugh.

A guy crying his eyes out over a rat? Nuff said.

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Originally Posted by TheWinWizard

A guy crying his eyes out over a rat? Nuff said.

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Yea thats what i was thinking :rofl:

Some people are completely irrational. There's nothing that can be done about it pure and simple.

I just will not enter into conversation about things like this with most people anymore. It's easier just to nod and smile.

Show him this video and ask him how in fact it is different. I'd say it's worse how they treat beef, pork, and chicken... :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ple_syJmAoA

Haha, he actually started crying? I wonder what he would say if you fed your snake a dead rat instead. If he agreed, pull the rat out of the bag and snap its neck in front of him. "There, happy now?" lol

Pathetic excuse for a "man"

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Is your friend on hormones or missing them? Something doesn't sound right. I've had pet rats but animals are animals. Some feed other animals. That's life.

Regards,

B

:rolleyes: does he have cats that have ever been let outside? Many people have barn cats to specifically kill rats and mice..and cats don't always just kill the animal right away, they tend to enjoy the whole playing with their food thing. I know our rats, especially p/k and f/t get a much more humane end to their life than almost anything a dog, cat, or human kills to eat.

To the left, all of you who have posted so far have all the sensitivity of a ballpean hammer.

So the guy cried about an animal being killed by another animal. Wow. That's terrible. In fact, that's soooooo terrible, that he must not be a man at all. Heh.

This guy, because he's different is somehow LESS than all of you Manly Men? Again, heh.

I say, heh, that the lot of you are a bunch of cretins.

After all, there is NO point in trying to understand HIS point of view when he clearly does not, or is it can not, understand yours. Is there? Why be tolerant or, heaven forfend, try to educate him about feeding snakes WITHOUT attacking him for eating meat.

That's really pretty lame. The one has NOTHING to do with the other.

The guy may be a wuss. but so what? Wusses don't get to have opinions? And who's to say he's really a wuss? You cowboys who are so blessed as to be able to feed one animal to another without feeling guilt or remorse which, since YOU don't feel it, must be wrong, bad, evil even.

Yeah.

Glad I'm not 'friends' with some of you tolerant non-gossipy folks.

Haha oh wow I would've had to just laugh.

hypocrite ;) lol i spelled it wrong too thankfully firefox fixes it for me :P

as for your "Friend" you should have said "Oh this little fella? he is going to be a pet :D" then as you turn your head away from him whisper "for my snakes stomach" :gj:

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Originally Posted by wilomn

To the left, all of you who have posted so far have all the sensitivity of a ballpean hammer.

So the guy cried about an animal being killed by another animal. Wow. That's terrible. In fact, that's soooooo terrible, that he must not be a man at all. Heh.

This guy, because he's different is somehow LESS than all of you Manly Men? Again, heh.

I say, heh, that the lot of you are a bunch of cretins.

After all, there is NO point in trying to understand HIS point of view when he clearly does not, or is it can not, understand yours. Is there? Why be tolerant or, heaven forfend, try to educate him about feeding snakes WITHOUT attacking him for eating meat.

That's really pretty lame. The one has NOTHING to do with the other.

The guy may be a wuss. but so what? Wusses don't get to have opinions? And who's to say he's really a wuss? You cowboys who are so blessed as to be able to feed one animal to another without feeling guilt or remorse which, since YOU don't feel it, must be wrong, bad, evil even.

Yeah.

Glad I'm not 'friends' with some of you tolerant non-gossipy folks.

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Crying over a rat yet he eats meat? Im sorry, but there is no logic in that. Im actually quite a beta male myself. Im the kind of guy that picks up worms during rain storms and puts them out of harms way. I also save wasps, spiders etc etc. Seems you made an equal assumption on us :). No difference at all. Our reaction to him stirred an equal reaction from you about us. I have to say if you caught that guys reaction on film it would be a hands down 1 million plus viewed youtube video :D

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Originally Posted by wilomn

To the left, all of you who have posted so far have all the sensitivity of a ballpean hammer.

So the guy cried about an animal being killed by another animal. Wow. That's terrible. In fact, that's soooooo terrible, that he must not be a man at all. Heh.

This guy, because he's different is somehow LESS than all of you Manly Men? Again, heh.

I say, heh, that the lot of you are a bunch of cretins.

After all, there is NO point in trying to understand HIS point of view when he clearly does not, or is it can not, understand yours. Is there? Why be tolerant or, heaven forfend, try to educate him about feeding snakes WITHOUT attacking him for eating meat.

That's really pretty lame. The one has NOTHING to do with the other.

The guy may be a wuss. but so what? Wusses don't get to have opinions? And who's to say he's really a wuss? You cowboys who are so blessed as to be able to feed one animal to another without feeling guilt or remorse which, since YOU don't feel it, must be wrong, bad, evil even.

Yeah.

Glad I'm not 'friends' with some of you tolerant non-gossipy folks.

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I never said anything about him being a wuss. I DID point out that there are many other animals who will kill and torture others--that most people generally ignore. People might get grossed out when their dogs and cats bring them 'gifts'...But very few people will actually sob about it and think about the pain and how long it could have taken that animal to actually die... Just part of nature.. And yet, snakes are often excluded from that natural order, and feeding them is just cruel and disgusting? Especially if you were to feed p/k... we try to do things as humanely as possible, we do love animals after all, we just also happen to love carnivores who can't be fed processed food as well. I do feel bad when my snake refuses to eat p/k or f/t.. It makes me uncomfortable, but I don't end up bawling because I understand it's a part of life. But I have seen what happens when a cat--another animal I love dearly--decides that it wants to play with another living thing before finally ending it's life. It's rather gruesome and I feel it is important to acknowledge that fact. I also think it's important, if you eat meat you must know where it comes from. Make an educated choice, guys! I try to only get my meat from places I believe are better about caring for their animals, but I don't hide and say it's different, as I know..something was killed so that I can eat. Be it a mouse for a snake or a gazelle for a lion. Part of that whole circle of life junk :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by wilomn

To the left, all of you who have posted so far have all the sensitivity of a ballpean hammer.

So the guy cried about an animal being killed by another animal. Wow. That's terrible. In fact, that's soooooo terrible, that he must not be a man at all. Heh.

This guy, because he's different is somehow LESS than all of you Manly Men? Again, heh.

I say, heh, that the lot of you are a bunch of cretins.

After all, there is NO point in trying to understand HIS point of view when he clearly does not, or is it can not, understand yours. Is there? Why be tolerant or, heaven forfend, try to educate him about feeding snakes WITHOUT attacking him for eating meat.

That's really pretty lame. The one has NOTHING to do with the other.

The guy may be a wuss. but so what? Wusses don't get to have opinions? And who's to say he's really a wuss? You cowboys who are so blessed as to be able to feed one animal to another without feeling guilt or remorse which, since YOU don't feel it, must be wrong, bad, evil even.

Yeah.

Glad I'm not 'friends' with some of you tolerant non-gossipy folks.

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Who says I don't feel bad for the rat? I don't sit there and laugh evily while the thing is screaming in my BP's jaws. Yeah, I feel bad a for the rat. But guess what? My snake has to eat. Just like his dogs have to eat (yes, dog food is made out of meat, not just vegetables). He was being completley irrational and a total baby.

I love rats! They are loving, cuddly, intelligent animals. They make excellent pets. I've had many myself. I also love snakes and as much of a sucker I am for cute little rats, they exist to feed snakes as well.

It's the circle of life, Simba.

Still I can't stand the people who laugh at it or say things like "that's so cool/sick!"

Maybe it just was not his day. Maybe he took some type of hormone enhancer? You sure you did not forget the s in "he" jk, But hey some people are really one with natures lol.

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Originally Posted by SpiffyYoshi

Still I can't stand the people who laugh at it or say things like "that's so cool/sick!"

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I'm sorry but i think it IS cool (I feed F/T) but seeing a long animal no legs or arms eat something the same width of its body in less than 4-5 minutes without chewing! cool as hell lol i like to watch my BPs feed sometimes ill just sit and watch them gobble down the rat then slither away very pleased with themselves :P

your friend needs to grow up, how blind is he to what goes on in the world?

How could you feed that sweet little rat to a mean snake hmmm?

Tell him the same way that sweet little rat would happily eat him if it had to. Like it or hate it, deal with it or don't deal with it, it is nature.

All animals eat living things to survive. Even the grass that the cows who make those tasty steaks is alive, so where do you draw the line?

If the animals butchered to feed him is a different story, what about the animals his cat or dog catches and eats? What about the helpless fly that spider in the corner of his ceiling just bit and paralyzed and then injected with enzymes to slowly dissolve it's insides while it's still alive? Or the crickets that cute lizard who lives under his porch eats whole? What about the worms he slowly drowns to catch a fish he will chop apart while it's still alive to fry for supper? Does he weep over these things?

If not, then he should. How is there one bit of difference between you feeding your snake a rat to help it survive any different than any of these other things ? If he feels you are being cruel, then by turn so is he. If he wants you to stop, then by all accounts, he should get rid of his dog or cat, spray the house for spiders, run the lizard off and never fish again. You cannot single out one person or action as cruel and deny the reality of the rest.

Gale

i'm with angllady2.
granted i feel that everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions and it should not be implied that someone, especially a guy is "less then" just because he's a little emotional.
it really bothers me to hear people say "man up and quit your baby blubbering." to a young boy who say, accidently let go of a balloon he JUST got or fell and scraped his knee. in the times i have heard other parents making those comments to their seemingly devastated kids i've stopped and gone "how would YOU react if you accidently dropped a wallet with a bunch of cash in it and the money fell out and got scattered in the wind?!"
my bf made the mistake of saying "your a boy. us boys dont cry." to our son a while back when he fell and bumped his head. believe you me that was the LAST time he ever uttered those words (or anything like them) to our son after i got through with him. i think it's wrong that boys are taught to "be tough", dont show any kind of emotion, it's considered a weakness. feelings are feelings and they should be allowed to flow as they go.
but anyways, i digress, sorry.
before anyone who fits into this "tough guy" thing bashes me for saying guys should be able to show emotions, please let me say that i do agree that the emotional friend's logic on the cycle of life is a little off, he should still be entitled to feel the way he feels. our feelings are what make us human.
ok so i'm gonna end my post here cuz i can go on forever on this whole mess.

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Originally Posted by angllady2

How could you feed that sweet little rat to a mean snake hmmm?

Tell him the same way that sweet little rat would happily eat him if it had to. Like it or hate it, deal with it or don't deal with it, it is nature.

All animals eat living things to survive. Even the grass that the cows who make those tasty steaks is alive, so where do you draw the line?

If the animals butchered to feed him is a different story, what about the animals his cat or dog catches and eats? What about the helpless fly that spider in the corner of his ceiling just bit and paralyzed and then injected with enzymes to slowly dissolve it's insides while it's still alive? Or the crickets that cute lizard who lives under his porch eats whole? What about the worms he slowly drowns to catch a fish he will chop apart while it's still alive to fry for supper? Does he weep over these things?

If not, then he should. How is there one bit of difference between you feeding your snake a rat to help it survive any different than any of these other things ? If he feels you are being cruel, then by turn so is he. If he wants you to stop, then by all accounts, he should get rid of his dog or cat, spray the house for spiders, run the lizard off and never fish again. You cannot single out one person or action as cruel and deny the reality of the rest.

Gale

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This is UTTERLY ridiculous.

Why should HE have to do as YOU say?

Keep in mind that we only have one side of the story to start then keep in mind that if it was YOU in the supposedly crying boy's place, your opinion of what YOU think HE should do, were it now you, would most likely be diametrically opposed to the crap you posted above.

If not, then perhaps there is indeed something wrong, but once again, not with the boy.

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Originally Posted by Bellabob

I went to the pet store today to pick up a feeder rat and a "friend" of mine was in the car with me (we just know each other thats why I quoted "friend"). I told him I needed to stop by the pet store real quick to pick up a rat. I went in, got the rat, and got back in the car. He asked what the rat was for and I told him it was for my snake. Then he made this huge "GASP!!!" and literally started crying his eyes out. I asked him what was his problem and he said "how could you feed a cute little rat to a mean snake?".

I really didin't know how to respond. I told him the beef and chicken he eats doesn't grow on trees and that living bretahing animals are killed for it. I garuntee you that cow went through a hell of a lot more pain that this rat will. Yet he says thats "different". How is that different you fool?

Some people....ugh.

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I ain't buying your story.

It reads like a bad elementary school play - what with the melodramatic "GASP", the uncontrolled sobbing and the bull spit disclaimer that this mysterious "friend" (who was sitting in your car), was just a step up from a passing acquaintance.

I get the is not the same. I also agree it is hypocritical at least to a point. I believe that death is so far removed from modern 'city dwellers' anyway that it is easy to forget that steak doesn't come from styrofoam trays. Everybody knows it is cow, but the don't KNOW if you see my point.

I live in a city the largest in my region (still small by comparison) the country isn't far removed ere. But we are still buffered from that reality that we kill things for meat.

I was 14 or 15 when on a visit to my grandfathers house I had spent the day (nothing else around) hiking and stopped to see the cows down the road. I love animals I make no distinctions. Upon arriving for supper Dad said something along the lines of I am glad you enjoyed those cows now lets enjoy this cow pointing at the BBQ I was late for...

I thought about it that night and the next day I went to speak to the farmer Mr. Wendle. He is a very ethical minded man and care about and for his animals and felt (he passed away some time ago) he makes his living on the cows death so he owes them to insure it was pain free and as gentle as could be contrived. The only way to be sure, he did it himself. That year I helped him. I spent a difficult day killing cows. I did a bit of every task and actually killed 10 cows personally.

I understand that is not an opportunity that is easily repeated. I didn't eat any meat for about a half a year but the smell of the BBQ that spring and a visit and long talk with Mr. Wendle changed my mind.

I believe that that is one of the great benefits of snake ownership. The reality of death and food is very close and not cleverly disguised in styrofoam. I always thought that butchers departments should have pictures of cows in fields and perhaps of a full dressed carcass beside it. We forget that cows come from fields not styrofoam, we allow people somewhere to kill cows all day all year and forget that they are alive feeling creatures and allow horrors to be done because we just don't want to know.

For my part I eat meat, I buy local beef when possible and have been to the local slaughterhouse to see first hand how that is done to the food I eat. It isn't and carefully as Mr. Wendle but it isn't exactly a horror show either. It isn't a huge operation so I can't speak for those but you can see how it could get out of hand easily.

I have also visited the place I get rats from, I have seen the treatment they get and the death they have they are well looked after and killed in a reasonable way and treated well the whole time.

The man with you is a hippocrit but be easy on him he just doesn't KNOW it. It is a difference between dealing death and paying someone else to do it. Snake keepers deal death, when you look down on the rat mouse or rabbit, if you bought it live and you kill it, the snake kills it, or if you bought it dead there is still no way you can pretend that it wasn't alive. That the snake has to eat and it has to kill things to do that is not a idea that you never have to think about it is there in front of you.

"That is different" I am sure it is for him. I just don't think it should be.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I ain't buying your story.

It reads like a bad elementary school play - what with the melodramatic "GASP", the uncontrolled sobbing and the bull spit disclaimer that this mysterious "friend" (who was sitting in your car), was just a step up from a passing acquaintance.

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Yea I thought the story sounded a bit funny myself.

While I agree that his reaction was over the top (which in itself is an opinion, mind you) and that the fact that he eats meat but has an issue with the guy feeding a rat to his snake is more than a bit hypocritical....well, he is human. ALL humans are guilty of some form of hypocrisy at some point. Be it an infant, a child, or an adult. A baby will cry if you are eating something and won't but will not share, while not seeing the need to share himself. A child will kick and scream about another child needing to take turns with the XBOX but will happily hog it herself. I could give example upon example.

In any case, this guy is human like the rest of us. He is entitled to his moments of hypocrisy. He is also entitled to have emotions, regardless of whether or not them seem appropriate to others. That is his opinion, that is how he personally feels, and that is ultimately his business. Opinions are like anuses. Everybody's got one and they all stink.

two words...

FOOD CHAIN!!

plus, there is nothing wrong with thinking it is "cool" to watch a snake eat. I find it facinating how the snake constricts its food. PLUS... in all reality, your snake food is a RODENT. I bet if that rat was chewing thru the guys drywall or attic he wouldn't care what the snake did to it...
Also, is it better for these RODENTS to be killed by traps or poison and then thrown out... or being put to good use to feed a cool looking snake?

Just saying...

I think it's about time to let this dye down. It's not that big of a deal. People who don't have snakes don't see it as we do..... That's all that had to be said about your friend. Now let's all be nice and stop with the childish BS. :cens0r:We all have a right to feel how we want about the subject above . . . :rolleyes:. . So how bout that weather lol....:)

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Originally Posted by ScottNBecky

I think it's about time to let this dye down. It's not that big of a deal. People who don't have snakes don't see it as we do..... That's all that had to be said about your friend. Now let's all be nice and stop with the childish BS. :cens0r:We all have a right to feel how we want about the subject above . . . :rolleyes:. . So how bout that weather lol....:)

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It's cold and wet here, but sunny.

I realize reptile hobbyists and gender/orientation allies don't overlap much... but could people maybe dial down on the "ugh effeminate men" remarks a bit? It's getting kinda gross.

(Which is not to say the guy isn't a totally laughable hypocrite.)

Been nice here, almost warm enough to fish yesterday. Rain moved in and it got wicked cold again, wouldn't be surprised if it snowed.

Got to love Missouri { Misery } weather!

Gale

Everybody has their own opinions.

We just have to respect how people feel towards certain things, even if in our point-of-view it seems off. Not everybody is made equal, but everyone should be treated the same. Although many don't see it that way.. Which is why we're all different.