Hatchling with Enlarged Eyes...UPDATE

Thought I'd post an update on this little guy, whom we affectionately named Bug.

His story:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...larged-Eyes...

He is doing well and is just the nicest little BP ever even with all he's been through. He's around 70g now and still requires assist feedings but as soon as the pinky is in his mouth he coils it up :gj:. Hopefully he'll take the next step soon (striking it). His left eye is just a shed away from being normal. His right eye still collects fluid.

So here he is...

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Glad to see that he's doin ok. :gj: Hope he fully recovers. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Pinoy Pythons

Glad to see that he's doin ok. :gj: Hope he fully recovers. :gj:

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Thanks! I hope he does too but the verdict is still out on whether or not there are any underlying problems.

aww bless him i hope hes ok :snake:

I had a crested gecko once that had a condition like that and it did its whole life. He lived for about 5 years, was smaller then a normal sized crested but was fine with eating and shedding. Hopefully your guy will be just fine.

What a total cutie!! (I saw your previous thread and he looked SO cute as a hatchling, even with the enlarged eyes)

Here's hoping he keeps on being such a survivor!

He is so precious. Glad to see the little guy is doing well.

Awww, he's so cute. Hope he heals quickly! Thanks so much for sharing. :)

Good luck with him!

Oh my gosh! What a little cutie pie! Glad he is doing well because he is just too adorable!

Awww, he's really cute. Hope he continues to do well. Thanks for the update!

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Originally Posted by kasmiraross

aww bless him i hope hes ok :snake:

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Thank you, he's getting stronger by the day :).

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Originally Posted by Paradox81

I had a crested gecko once that had a condition like that and it did its whole life. He lived for about 5 years, was smaller then a normal sized crested but was fine with eating and shedding. Hopefully your guy will be just fine.

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Glad your crestie did well :), and thank you.

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

What a total cutie!! (I saw your previous thread and he looked SO cute as a hatchling, even with the enlarged eyes)

Here's hoping he keeps on being such a survivor!

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Thanks, I'm amazed at the resilience of these guys.

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Originally Posted by DellaF

He is so precious. Glad to see the little guy is doing well.

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Thanks! I have to admit, he's one of the cutest little guys ever. :P

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Originally Posted by LittleMama

Awww, he's so cute. Hope he heals quickly! Thanks so much for sharing. :)

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Thanks! And you're welcome. Hope it can help someone else out there.

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Good luck with him!

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Thanks!

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Oh my gosh! What a little cutie pie! Glad he is doing well because he is just too adorable!

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Thanks! He's super sweet and curious too, I love that he wants to come out and explore.

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Originally Posted by MakiMaki

Awww, he's really cute. Hope he continues to do well. Thanks for the update!

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Thank you! I'll keep posting up dates too.

Only a few days later and looking better! :D His right eye cap has fully drained on its own. Hopefully they wont fill with liquid again.


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Excellent news. :D

Hope the little guy pulls through!!!

I'm sorry to update this thread with bad news. I was so exited for this guy to continue to improve but sadly he didn't. After the pictures I posted earlier in this thread were taken both his eyes slowly filled up again. I drained them a few more times but his eyes just kept getting worse. I continued to assist feed him. He was at the point where I needed to soak him every time it looked like he needed to defecate and he would always have urates that would block him up. Also, he had a lot of underlying issues besides his eyes. Like mentioned above, he wouldn't defecate regularly on his own. The lower half of his body was constantly distended with built up fluids which leads me to believe his renal system wasn't working properly and filtering out fluids like it should. We finally decided to euthanize him. On his last day his whole body was puffed up with fluids and his head was twice the size because of fluid retention. I apologize for not taking any pictures (which would be useful to anyone else with a BP with this issue) because I was pretty upset.

After all was said and done we'll miss the little guy. He was very curious and often would come out of his tub to see what was going on.

Hopefully if anyone else experiences an underdeveloped hatchling they will still give them a fighting chance to grow up and become a great pet.

I'm sorry to hear that. Like you said, at least he had a chance.

No! I was so happy to hear he was doing better. :( So sorry for your loss.

I am so sorry.

This must have been very difficult for you.

I had high hopes this little one would pull through for you. I am glad you had the strength to do the right thing and end his suffering.

Gale

Thanks for the update Jessica, and the story. I hatched one just like that this year. He is now about 8 months old now, and still eating and pooping. His eye swelling has never completely gone away, but it gets smaller and larger on it's own. It does appear to be at it's smallest point right after a shed. I will have to put up a picture of him (Poss Het Lavender Albino) and keep it updated with his progress, since it seems that everyone else with this issue, never has the luck of the animal living.

Just wanted to say this was a great thread, and I was able to learn something from it.

Thanks again,

Thanks for all the kind words. :)

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Thanks for the update Jessica, and the story. I hatched one just like that this year. He is now about 8 months old now, and still eating and pooping. His eye swelling has never completely gone away, but it gets smaller and larger on it's own. It does appear to be at it's smallest point right after a shed. I will have to put up a picture of him (Poss Het Lavender Albino) and keep it updated with his progress, since it seems that everyone else with this issue, never has the luck of the animal living.

Just wanted to say this was a great thread, and I was able to learn something from it.

Thanks again,

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Your welcome :). Good to hear your little one is doing well. I look forward to following his progress too.

Oh wow that's really interesting. It will be neat to see if he other eye shed to fairly normal or not.

Very glad he's doing alright. I remember seeing that original post. He looks so unbelievably tiny! :P

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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters

Oh wow that's really interesting. It will be neat to see if he other eye shed to fairly normal or not.

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Very glad he's doing alright. I remember seeing that original post. He looks so unbelievably tiny! :P

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Sorry, this thread got kind of confusing. Muddoc's little guy is still doing well, our little one, Bug, had to be euthanized. :(.

Dang it! Bug, you fought so hard... :tears::tears: but in the end you were too sick to live a happy life.
thanks for giving the little guy a chance. i'm sure wherever he is he appreciates it :oops:

Sorry to hear that. :(

Is it a result of line breeding too much? I don't know about bp's but I have read that it is a common deformity from to much line breeding in many kinds of snakes. Or am I misinformed?

I honestly don't think this had to do with genetics. The parents are unrelated as far as I know. Basically his umbilical cord was wrapped around his yolk sack which most likely caused a disruption in his flow of nutrients and in turn caused him to be under developed. His eyes were just one symptom. I don't think it was an incubation issue either because all his clutch mates were perfect and did great. Also, we had another clutch in the incubator at the same time which hatched out perfect as well.


Here is a picture of his yolk left behind in the egg.

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ok so i found this thread and thought nothing of it other than a weird deformity that must not be common as ive never seen it before but then i went to play with one of my females and oddly she has large eyes that stick out far too lol ive always thought her head was just small but no her eyes are huge