Platty daddy's ?...

Any combos with platy daddy or am I missing something here?

The only one who would have combos at this point would be Ralph Davis, I believe the first platty daddies produced outside of Ralph's place happened last year or the year before.

I remember Kevin McCurley talking in an interview about a reaction between the hidden gene Woma and a Platty Daddy direct lesser offspring that was carrying the Daddy gene that created the first soul sucker.

soul sucker huh... thats a nice looking snake, do you really think platty's in it?

According to this You Tube video, he says it does,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Tg4412cS0

That just made me come up with alot more questions lol

I don't think the soul sucker involves the platty daddy gene. From everything that I've read about the way it works, lessers can not carry the hidden gene. When you breed a platty daddy to a normal, you get lessers and het daddies. When you combine the lesser with the het daddy gene you end up with platty daddies.

I've emailed both rdr and nerd asking to clear this up, neither of them ever got back to me

Chad Hulker produced some this past season.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Clutch-Help-ID

Ralph had said what I repeated in my last post multiple times. He's always been good about getting back to me when I emailed him, but sometimes it takes a day or two... he does run a construction company after all.

Here's another thread with some good information in it.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...a-Platty-Daddy

Think of the platty daddy in the same way superstripes work. The genes are allelic, which means they work together to create a 'super' form. That super form can not reproduce itself when bred to a normal, it can only pass on one of those two genes.

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Think of the platty daddy in the same way superstripes work. The genes are allelic, which means they work together to create a 'super' form. That super form can not reproduce itself when bred to a normal, it can only pass on one of those two genes.

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That's a good way of explaining it right there.

So is limited? Like is there no way to like make a bumblebee platty?

It's possible, but it would be a four gene animal... pastel, spider, lesser platinum, and the het daddy gene.

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Originally Posted by KingPythons

So is limited? Like is there no way to like make a bumblebee platty?

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You have to have a Gene from the BEL Complex to make the Hidden gene show up. Meaning it is 2 genes that you need to have in the mix, but can't be passed from 1 parent( like supers ), both parents need to have atleast 1 to give it a chance.

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

You have to have a Gene from the BEL Complex to make the Hidden gene show up. Meaning it is 2 genes that you need to have in the mix, but can't be passed from 1 parent( like supers ), both parents need to have atleast 1 to give it a chance.

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no? daddy gene snake can pass the trait to offspring, thats how you make plattys. lesser x daddy gene = 25% plattys

I was curious about a couple Platty Daddy issues. People often refer to the normal babies of a Platty Daddy x Normal cross as "het for platinum". If that were truly the case, could two of the normal babies be bred together to form a platinum? If not then that seems rather confusing. Also, many people believe that Butter and Lesser Platinum are the exact same morph. If that is the case then would a normal het for platinum crossed with a Butter produce a Platty Daddy?

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Originally Posted by NewParadigms

Also, many people believe that Butter and Lesser Platinum are the exact same morph. If that is the case then would a normal het for platinum crossed with a Butter produce a Platty Daddy?

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Yes, but Ralph calls them Butter Daddies.

So if you breed a normal het for platinum to another normal, are the offspring 50 PC het for platinum? Likewise with Lessers bred to a normal, would the normal offspring be 50 PC het for platinum?

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Originally Posted by NewParadigms

So if you breed a normal het for platinum to another normal, are the offspring 50 PC het for platinum? Likewise with Lessers bred to a normal, would the normal offspring be 50 PC het for platinum?

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Yes to the first question, no to the second. If a lesser platinum is carrying the gene it will be a platinum.

I'm having just a bit of confusion with the genetics behind that. I can only assume that the two genes required to produce a Platty Daddy (hidden gene x lesser) are on the same allele so only one of them can be passed down. Is that a fair assumption? Out of curiosity, how has it been proven that the lesser doesn't have this hidden gene? Did they exhaustively breed normals produced from lessers back to lessers to prove they don't produce Platinums?

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Originally Posted by NewParadigms

I'm having just a bit of confusion with the genetics behind that. I can only assume that the two genes required to produce a Platty Daddy (hidden gene x lesser) are on the same allele so only one of them can be passed down. Is that a fair assumption? Out of curiosity, how has it been proven that the lesser doesn't have this hidden gene? Did they exhaustively breed normals produced from lessers back to lessers to prove they don't produce Platinums?

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From my understanding of it they are on the same allele. Which by definition would mean that lessers can't carry it. For the nitty gritty about what breedings were done to figure the genetics out, your best bet would be to email Ralph Davis directly.

Or read through Ralphs breeding records. That's what eventually convinced me that hidden or whatever you want to call it is an allele of the lesser complex. The really odd thing is that apparently even a homozygous hidden still looks normal. Would be very interesting to know what’s actually happening to with all the mutations in that complex.