question on some interesting breedings....?

So a friend of mine and I had a few to many beers and came up with a few interesting questions...?

We were wondering if anyone new of anyone doing a cross like this-
blackpastel butter x black pastel butter?

What do people think the super would look like? Is it possible? All white snake all black snake? Who knows?

Or
black pastel het. G-stripe x black pastel het. G-stripe? Super black g-stripe

And last but not least
champagne het. Albino x champagne het. Albino? Albino champagne

Seems unlikely on first do to leucism blocking pigment but maybe a grey ball?
second unlikely as well do to same problem blocking color...?
and on the third a mostly yellow snake? Just thinking.

I know how people like imagining and I hope I am not the only one but wanted to see what others think or already know...

Also one other question what is the name of say a b.e.l. ghost...?
I.e. mojo ghost x lesser ghost... super form b.e.l. ghost...?
does the name change depending on morph used for Lucy...?

i had asked a similar question in another thread, one concerning a similar morph to the BP Butter. It was an Axanthic Super Cinnamon. Not far off from the super Butter/Black Pastel. Then someone posted this...

an Axanthic Super Cinny.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...3/dsc04885.jpg

kinda what i thought it would look like.

black pastel butter x black pastel butter=lucy with a black and a blue eye .... :D

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Originally Posted by ace_singapore

black pastel butter x black pastel butter=lucy with a black and a blue eye .... :D

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That sounds awesome looking. Do you know where I can find pics...? Have you seen this snake... just curious thanks for chiming in.... peace J

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Originally Posted by jallenfl

That sounds awesome looking. Do you know where I can find pics...? Have you seen this snake... just curious thanks for chiming in.... peace J

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I think he was just messing with you;)

So far any snake that is also a lucistic ( BEL) will be all white snake.. so if you had a super black pastel/spider/desert/pinstipe/pastel/super butter it will still be a all white snake..

Hi don't know about the 1st two you inquired about but here is the 3rd one...

Albino champagne
http://www.captivebredreptileforums....-pictures.html

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

So far any snake that is also a lucistic ( BEL) will be all white snake.. so if you had a super black pastel/spider/desert/pinstipe/pastel/super butter it will still be a all white snake..

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In theory yes but... the super fire pastel looked different form the super fire, so the BEL might also.

guess the search feature is broken since this got asked again...... but as someone else stated, odds are itd be a regular bel phenotype

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Originally Posted by BAMReptiles

guess the search feature is broken since this got asked again...... but as someone else stated, odds are itd be a regular bel phenotype

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You know I tried that and unfortunately their is so much information and the odds of me searching the exact words of another members thread are worse than the lottery I started my own.

Imagine that also I highly doubt my question is the same being it is three part. What do you think the odds are??? I me all three of those crosses have been previously discussed in the same format as I asked my question?

Please realize that one day I wish to be the guy telling someone to use the search feature as well... I know then I will seem so smart just like you... great job your that guy... J

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Originally Posted by Action Reptiles

Hi don't know about the 1st two you inquired about but here is the 3rd one...

Albino champagne
http://www.captivebredreptileforums....-pictures.html

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Thanks a bunch, that albino champagne is awesome... I am sure with the dirty and clean champagne's out their it is only a matter of time before their is a few in the albino form as well. Thanks again . . .peace J

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Originally Posted by Chris Knowles

i had asked a similar question in another thread, one concerning a similar morph to the BP Butter. It was an Axanthic Super Cinnamon. Not far off from the super Butter/Black Pastel. Then someone posted this...

an Axanthic Super Cinny.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...3/dsc04885.jpg

kinda what i thought it would look like.

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Cool, very cool...
reminds me of patternless only hazy in a way... either way its a nice looking animal and I would love to own one... thanks...

super cinny super lesser or bel, or something along those lines would prolly work well. search feature aside, im sure if you went through a few pages youd find it, that question is posted with disgusting frequency

BELs override pretty much everything so its most likely that it would override those. a gray snake? how cliche, genetics arent finger paints

your other two questions are a bit less mainstream but for the albino champ, a simple google search reveals a plethora of pics.

worldofballpythons.com should be stickied and many of these threads would hopefully be avoided

fyi not trying to seem smart, just annoyed at how many times the exact same threads/questions get posted.

if its not super cinny bels its spider wobble or homozygous spiders

im sure several others would agree, and dont worry im not really that big of a d&%$ lol

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Originally Posted by BAMReptiles

super cinny super lesser or bel, or something along those lines would prolly work well. search feature aside, im sure if you went through a few pages youd find it, that question is posted with disgusting frequency

BELs override pretty much everything so its most likely that it would override those. a gray snake? how cliche, genetics arent finger paints

your other two questions are a bit less mainstream but for the albino champ, a simple google search reveals a plethora of pics.

worldofballpythons.com should be stickied and many of these threads would hopefully be avoided

fyi not trying to seem smart, just annoyed at how many times the exact same threads/questions get posted.

if its not super cinny bels its spider wobble or homozygous spiders

im sure several others would agree, and dont worry im not really that big of a d&%$ lol

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Nah, I didn't think that of you. Thanks for the info as well. I know its not finger paint and that's why I said. . . ''All white snake?''

I understand genetics and since we are on the topic of finger paint let me ask another question. Hopefully the search engine is broke because I couldn't find this info either.

Since we breed ball pythons nearly for color and pattern effect "finger paint" let's take into account that they are still living breathing animals. When breeding nobody ever takes into account why things happen. For instance n.e.r.d. breeds woma x woma prevailing offspring in superform prove fatal and since we are not talking fingerprint what are the odds this snake dies do to a heart being 1/3 normal size??? Just curious if anyone ever figured out why. With everyone breeding everything we are bound to realize that certain mutations are fatal because of internal mutations that take effect as well as exterior mutations...

Does this make sense???

Basically spider's wobble.... is this because they lack a certain nerve connection? Figure with so many top breeders out there somebody might no something about an autopsy proving why with certain mutations their is negative effects.

I.e. we know certain dessert offspring grow really slow??? Why? Is it do to the possibility of an inferior digestive track... result of mutation....???

Anyway thanks and later... J

well those womas are the hidden gene womas, no relation to regular womas, and they have some that have survived and are doing well.

spiders, could lack a protein or nerve connection or who knows, that one is a bit more difficult.

the desert thing, completely false. robyn just posted a thread on a few forums including blbc and kingsnake clearing all that up