Fair price 09 female pewter 1500grams?

Hey guys I'm in talks with a guy about his pewter he has for sale. It's an 09 1500g female. What do you think would be the market value, I looked around but hard to find anything in that weight. Thanks a ton!

I'd guess $1500 - $2000 maybe more as she's a big double co-dom, but not ready to breed this season.

the last one I saw for sale at that size and its been awhile was $2200

I reckon it probably is less than 2 yrs old, and already at 1.5kg? You've got to make sure she is not obessed or anything.

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Originally Posted by ace_singapore

I reckon it probably is less than 2 yrs old, and already at 1.5kg? You've got to make sure she is not obessed or anything.

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She looks fine to me. I was curious as to fair price only because I thought it was a bit high.

I would say somewhere around $3000.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I would say somewhere around $3000.

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This. A female of that size is very valuable, especially to someone with the right males to put to her.

I'd put her at $2k. Largely because I wouldn't want to breed an '09 this year, even at that size. But if she's for real, and he's not overfeeding, then she'll be a sweet breeder in future years.

(I probably wouldn't pay $3k for a breeding female pewter unless she was actively breeding and over 2000 grams, and I needed her for a project IMMEDIATELY. But I'm feeling poor these days.)

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Originally Posted by loonunit

I'm feeling poor these days.)

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HAHA...your not the only one brother.
i would say anywhere from 2000-3000 depending on quality.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

This. A female of that size is very valuable, especially to someone with the right males to put to her.

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Just for my info. What makes would you consider the "right" males? :)

Oh. And she's an 08. Sorry for the typo. Thanks guys..

Pictures are necessary too.

Pewters are variable enough to my eyes that a poor quality one might be worth X$, but if she's super faded with lots of that acid-wash going on that you sometimes get, I'd pay double or triple.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Pictures are necessary too.

Pewters are variable enough to my eyes that a poor quality one might be worth X$, but if she's super faded with lots of that acid-wash going on that you sometimes get, I'd pay double or triple.

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Like my Pewter? :p

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/S1020004.jpg

Greets,

Yaron

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

Just for my info. What makes would you consider the "right" males? :)

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Double or triple co-doms...

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Pictures are necessary too.

Pewters are variable enough to my eyes that a poor quality one might be worth X$, but if she's super faded with lots of that acid-wash going on that you sometimes get, I'd pay double or triple.

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I'll see if i can post a pic. I have pewter bee and killer bee males.

sorry, not trying to hijack just have a quick question that kinda goes along with this thread.

pewters are pastel x cinny correct??
if you go thru these pics u will see white almost like a lucy, where does the white come from??
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/super-pewter/

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Originally Posted by Ntume

Like my Pewter? :p

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/S1020004.jpg

Greets,

Yaron

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PRECISELY! That is EXACTLY what I look for in a top quality pewter :D

Id breed a pastel or super pastel to her.

And at 1500g female is fine to breed. Im tired of the noobs coming along stating female is too young or too small. Sorry but females can become egg bound at any size and any age. No one female is more prone to it than others.


If you have the money get her and use her this year

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Double or triple co-doms...

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Exactly.

Re: white on super pewters--a lot of super pewters and silver bullets have freckles or blotchiness. Something about mixing the super cinny with the pastel gene? I don't know if it's understood why that happens on some animals but not others, other than it's a sign of TOTAL AWESOMENESS.

Yeah, for an '08 I'd pay $2500. Maybe more if she weighed more, or if she was hot like that animal Ntume was posting.

If you already have a breeding size male sterling (or bullet, super pastel, super cinny or pewter), you stand a good chance of making back your money in one season. With a single gene male, it might take you a couple seasons to earn it back.

But I could also imagine seeing, say, the pewter genetic stripe for the first time, and deciding in a moment of crazed money-infused paint job lust that I absolutely HAD TO DO that project RIGHT NOW, and shelling out big bucks for a big pewter and a breeder g-stripe.

[QUOTE=RichsBallPythons;1499729]Id breed a pastel or super pastel to her.

And at 1500g female is fine to breed. Im tired of the noobs coming along stating female is too young or too small. Sorry but females can become egg bound at any size and any age. No one female is more prone to it than others.

But does that mean they can lay a healthy clutch with say 5 or 6 eggs?

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

Oh. And she's an 08. Sorry for the typo. Thanks guys..

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If she is a 08' and at 1.5kg, maybe you want to ask the seller why is he selling a BP that is right age and almost pecfect weight 2 co-dom gene potential breeder. How much is he asking for the pewter?

I asked he said he's working on other projects and doesn't need her. I'm trying to get some pics to post. He's asking $2500.

Here are a few pics:
http://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908c5-65bd-1c92.jpghttp://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908c5-65ce-9578.jpghttp://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908c5-65e0-0208.jpg

I think it's a pretty good looking pewter judging from picture 1 & 2, color wise that is. Pattern wise I like the alien heads a little uniformed. I think anywhere between 2.2-2.5k is fair if taking the $1 for every gram rule. But it's considered late in the season as you can't just bring it back and breed her right away, so it's really your call. And of course, deals like this is hard to come by so I will grab it if I were you. GL!

i would get her just to put with your pewter bee male. you can make a super pewter spider on your first try. BTW I think she is awesome looking.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Id breed a pastel or super pastel to her.

And at 1500g female is fine to breed. Im tired of the noobs coming along stating female is too young or too small. Sorry but females can become egg bound at any size and any age. No one female is more prone to it than others.

But does that mean they can lay a healthy clutch with say 5 or 6 eggs?

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Yes Size means NOTHING in the amount of eggs a female will lay. I had 1200g girl last year lay 5 perfect eggs and 2900g female only lay 7 eggs. Goes by how healthy the snake is.

I'd say from the pics shes pretty good looking as long as they are recent pics of her? if I had the money I'd get her :D

Few more, bright ones are caused by the flash:
http://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908c5-7ca1-6364.jpghttp://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908c5-7cb6-a6d1.jpghttp://184.72.239.143/mu/a68908c5-7ccc-ff0b.jpg

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Originally Posted by ace_singapore

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Id breed a pastel or super pastel to her.

And at 1500g female is fine to breed. Im tired of the noobs coming along stating female is too young or too small. Sorry but females can become egg bound at any size and any age. No one female is more prone to it than others.

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But does that mean they can lay a healthy clutch with say 5 or 6 eggs?

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does it mean that they cant? my girl laid 8 healthy eggs last sept and all hatched just fine she was at 1475 prior

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Originally Posted by 771subliminal

does it mean that they cant? my girl laid 8 healthy eggs last sept and all hatched just fine she was at 1475 prior

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Way to go for a girl that size, how old is she?

I'm really surprised at how many wouldn't breed a 2 year old 1500 gram girl. IMHO, you're missing out on an opportunity. Age has nothing to do with breeding. It's a guidline used by many that makes them feel better about what they are doing. I snake will breed when it is ready. If it's not, it simply will not breed.

I've been breeding balls since the early 90s...way before they were cool. Males can and will breed at 350+ grams and females will breed SUCCESSFULLY at 1000 grams.....and continue to grow and reproduce as well as other animals that were kept back for more growth.

Another example is chondros. I've been breeding chondros since 1997. The general rule used by most keepers is not to breed females under 1000 grams. Most wild adults breed at 500-600 grams on average and rarely even see 1000 grams in their lifetime.

I have bred many 18 month old female ball pythons in the 1100-1200 grams range. That's exactly how the Pewter Pied project started and that same original female is producing 8-9 egg clutches only 3 seasons later.

TO ANSWER THE ORIGINAL QUESTION....I think a 2 year old 1500 gram Pewter female would be worth $2-3k to me. Looking at my last clutch of Pewter X Pewter het pied, it could be worth even more.....2.0 Super Pewters, 0.2 Cinny, 0.1 Super Pastel, 1.1 Pewter all 50% het pied.

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Originally Posted by ace_singapore

But it's considered late in the season as you can't just bring it back and breed her right away, so it's really your call. And of course, deals like this is hard to come by so I will grab it if I were you. GL!

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I don't consider this late in the season at all. I just started pairing things up a month ago. We still have til mid summer. Balls will go year round.

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Originally Posted by mpkeelee

sorry, not trying to hijack just have a quick question that kinda goes along with this thread.

pewters are pastel x cinny correct??
if you go thru these pics u will see white almost like a lucy, where does the white come from??
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/super-pewter/

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The link didn't work for scrolling the pics, but I'm assumming you're talking about the Paradox and Striped Super Pewters....? The white on these is likely caused by the Pied gene. They were clutchmates from Pewter het Pied X Pewter. The Pied gene is known to have visual marker traits when combined with other morphs. We first noticed this with the first Pewter het Pieds and have seen drastic differences in other morphs as well.