How to identify Het clown Ball python?

I have been searching the forum for about an hour looking for a thread on het clowns but not luck so i posted my own. I am Just wondering are there like any identifying marker/colors for het clown ball pythons,or can some one post pictures of there het clowns. Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by Ballpython1237

I have been searching the forum for about an hour looking for a thread on het clowns but not luck so i posted my own. I am Just wondering are there like any identifying marker/colors for het clown ball pythons,or can some one post pictures of there het clowns. Thanks in advance.

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If you want true hets BUY FROM A TRUSTED BREEDER! Point blank ;)

heterozygous (het) means the animal is completely normal looking, but carries the gene to create the morph in question when bred to another heterozygous animal or a visual of the morph.

if any "het" has a visual het form, it is no longer a het, it is a codominant animal.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

If you want true hets BUY FROM A TRUSTED BREEDER! Point blank ;)

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Agreed! Make sure you get paperwork and get it from a well known breeder that you know will be there is 3 or 4 years if it doesn't prove out!

Here is an older thread where we had a discussion re het clown identifiers. :D

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...rph-het-clowns

Pied is a good example of a mutation that is considered recessive but has sporadic (common actually) co-dominant tendencies. Seems that clown might also not be text book recessive but perhaps less common to show in the hets, at least unless mixed with certain other mutations.

doesn't het carry the gene but none of the look?

Look at the parents.

I don't trust the old "go with a reputable breeder" alone when it comes to hets. I've recently seen some discussion about hets from reputable breeders NOT proving out and the reputable breeders blaming that on their employees switching snakes around.
Which can turn into a mess of finger pointing.

I would only consider buying hets from a breeder that is not only reputable, but that has a bombproof way of guaranteeing them. Example, microchipping some snakes. Pictures !!! Pictures of the adult on eggs, marking the eggs right away, pictures of snakes coming out of the eggs, good quality pictures of hatchlings from different angles. Paperwork with pictures, or chip numbers, etc etc. Good written guarantee based on the foolproof system.

I would want more then just reputation. I would want an actual system in place. As fool proof as possible. Definitely more then "marked tubs".

Nothing more disappointing then buying hets, raising them up, finally being able to breed them and ...they don't proof out. Then waiting a year, breeding them AGAIN to make "sure" and again, nothing.

Thanks for the input, that thread on het clowns was really helpful! Guess i just have to wait and see to prove her out for sure.

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Originally Posted by dembonez

doesn't het carry the gene but none of the look?

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Heterozygous means having unmatched versions of a gene; one version from mom and a different one from dad. Spiders and most pinstripes are just as much hets as het albinos. But since the recessive morphs where the first exposure most ball python people got to the word "het" there is a common mistaken belief that it only applies to normal looking gene carriers. The important thing about hets regardless of what they look like due to their mutation type (recessive, co-dominant, dominant, or in-between two of these) is that with a het having an unmatched pair each offspring has a 50/50 chance of which version of the gene they will get from the het parent.

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Pictures !!! Pictures of the adult on eggs, marking the eggs right away, pictures of snakes coming out of the eggs, good quality pictures of hatchlings from different angles.

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Not to burst your bubble here but all those without buying from someone who is HONEST/Reputable and Guarantees his animals does not mean anything.

A picture of a normal on eggs does not guarantee the what's inside is the results of visual x normal pairing.

Picture of hatching coming out of the eggs, out of the eggs etc do not guarantee what the animals are.

Paperwork is only as good as the seller's reputation, people have bought fake hets that came with all the paperworks and by the time people discover it they were long gone.

Bottom line paperwork and pictures do not always mean anything it's about buying from the right person someone you know you can trust (that goes for any animals) and you know will make it right.

Can animal be sold as hets turning out not to be without any malicious intent? It's VERY rare but it can (sperm retention being one of the possible cause) and that's where buying from the right person is important should it happen.