Multiple gene males or females?

Hey am starting to build my collection and was wondering would I Be better buying/keeping multiple gene females and single gene males or multiple gene males and single females?

Multi gene males, since they can breed to multiple females. I have heard reports up to 13 in a season...

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Multi gene males, since they can breed to multiple females. I have heard reports up to 13 in a season...

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Thats what I was thinking. Wasn't sure if there were other benifits to multi gene females

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Originally Posted by Mattinho

Thats what I was thinking. Wasn't sure if there were other benifits to multi gene females

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The benefit of multi-gene females is that you can use them with your multi-gene males to make super-ultra-mega gene animals :P

However, in general, as has already been said, it's advised to go with multi-gene males and single-gene females unless you can afford to step it up to multi-gene everything.

I think the exception would be if you're able to afford a stable of more rare and valuable single-gene males, such as toffees, ultramels, bananas (good luck finding a male anywhere), etc., etc..

Since you are just starting out your collection, it would be better to obtain multiple gene males than females for the same reason they already stated. But as time goes by and your budget allows youto obtain more females, adding multiple gene females will surely give you high chances in hitting super multiple gene babies. :gj:

I personally would buy as many multi-gened females as you can this year. Then after they have had a chance to put on some weight, and about a year of age, (i.e. about 1 year), then go find a multi-gened male (at a lower price, because it is a year later). You can pick up a Spinner male right now for about $600. I would bet next year, you could probably find one for about $400. That is a pretty good male to have, as it contains both of the more popular dominant pattern mutations. Using that male, I would get some females that would compliment him and look for those. I would look at things like Pastel Lessers or Pastel Mojaves. Any of the leucistic combination females would work well. Fireflys are another good option, or anything combined with YB.

Essentially, I am saying, pick a male combo you like, and then buy the females that would best compliment him. Buy the females, and then buy the male you decided on the following year. This method of starting a nice collection has been discussed plenty, and is a very good startegy.

I hope that helps,

I'm like Tim but the multi gene females now let them grow up for a year or two then look around and see what prices have done on males that will best go with them.. :D

I woud like to have as much with both sexes, but right now I am going for the males since I have 12 normal females ready to go this season.

Actually, I've recently thought of a pretty good argument in favor of multi-gene females: I'm trying to keep my "operation" small. It's just me taking care of these guys. AND we're stuck renting for a few more years, and my husband needs space too, and I just don't think I can handle more than 50 snakes total. I don't want more than 3 or 4 clutches in a year. With holdbacks that number will always be creeping upwards, so it will be a constant battle for space... Anyway, I want all my morphs to play well together, and I want all my females to already have something special going on.

But if you want to make as many morphs as possible for a small amount of starting cash, and you're willing to provide housing and food for all of the results, then yeah. Put the money in a few big-bang males, and grab up as many normal and single-gene females as you can.

In anything with selective breeding, be it horses, cows, dogs, or even snakes, the proven way to maximize the number of high quality offspring produced and minimize both total costs and below-average-quality offspring is with a super high-quality stud male paired with multiple females (as high quality as you are then able to find).

This is why for more common morphs, females are generally more expensive, and for the rarest morphs, males take the cake in price.

If I was starting fresh...

I would pick up as many double or triple gene females as I could get my hands on. Even single gene animals can be amazing, especially if they are one of the less common traits.

I would then just stack one project to its fullest. I would pick up a 7 - 10 CB-70 rack. If I purchased the 7 rack, I would then buy 6 combo females. For instance based on snakes I have seen in the classifieds or at shows recently: 1 Pastave, 1 Spot Pin, 1 Firefly, 1 Enchi Spider, 1 Pastel YB, 1 Lemon Blast. If you buy the 10 rack you have room for up to 3 more, leaving one space for the male.

You will then have time to learn more while getting these girls nice and fat. If fed once every week, they will have some size next summer when the 2011 hatchlings are readily available. You then can start looking for the male that you either like the most, or will give you the best financial return. Unless it is one of less common traits, I would go with nothing less than a triple. Bumble Bee Mojaves, Pastel Butter YBs, etc... should be very affordable next season. Personally I would go with a Desert combo such as a Tiger. They are a little more expensive, but with the females you are growing, you would produce extremely high end snakes.

Fast forward another year, you would probably have multi-gene females over 2000 grams. You would potentially have a 900 gram breeder Tiger. You would have had time to get a hatchling rack, an incubator, and whatever is needed to deal with the coming hatchlings. With the right luck, you would produce some amazing combos that would be in demand. Potentially Pastel Tiger Mojaves, Tiger Spotnose Pinstripes, Firefly Tigers, Super Tiger Spiders, Pastel Tiger YBs, and Pastel Tiger Pinstripes. Not too mention all of the combos that would be produced in the effort to produce these snakes. With bigger females the possibility of 8 egg clutches is a reality which would then improve the odds that you would produce the most desired result.

If you have more money, bigger rack, etc... then you can start stacking the second project. This would be a much better idea than breeding a double co-dom (or even triple in some cases) to normals. At then end of the day you will be producing snakes that quite a few people are producing, and then you will have that much more competition when trying to sell/trade them.

If you have specific snakes that you want to produce then it can get real interesting. If you want to produce Crystal combos, you just get your hands on 6 Mojave combo females this year, then find a Special combo next year. If SuperStripes... Pick up as many YB combos females this year, then a Spector cross next year. The list goes on forever, but just look at the market, think about what snakes really interest you while at the same time paying attention to what is popular. With those ingredients, fun and money would be in the future!:)
Tom Baker

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Originally Posted by Python Dreams

If I was starting fresh...

I would pick up as many double or triple gene females as I could get my hands on. Even single gene animals can be amazing, especially if they are one of the less common traits.

I would then just stack one project to its fullest. I would pick up a 7 - 10 CB-70 rack. If I purchased the 7 rack, I would then buy 6 combo females. For instance based on snakes I have seen in the classifieds or at shows recently: 1 Pastave, 1 Spot Pin, 1 Firefly, 1 Enchi Spider, 1 Pastel YB, 1 Lemon Blast. If you buy the 10 rack you have room for up to 3 more, leaving one space for the male.

You will then have time to learn more while getting these girls nice and fat. If fed once every week, they will have some size next summer when the 2011 hatchlings are readily available. You then can start looking for the male that you either like the most, or will give you the best financial return. Unless it is one of less common traits, I would go with nothing less than a triple. Bumble Bee Mojaves, Pastel Butter YBs, etc... should be very affordable next season. Personally I would go with a Desert combo such as a Tiger. They are a little more expensive, but with the females you are growing, you would produce extremely high end snakes.

Fast forward another year, you would probably have multi-gene females over 2000 grams. You would potentially have a 900 gram breeder Tiger. You would have had time to get a hatchling rack, an incubator, and whatever is needed to deal with the coming hatchlings. With the right luck, you would produce some amazing combos that would be in demand. Potentially Pastel Tiger Mojaves, Tiger Spotnose Pinstripes, Firefly Tigers, Super Tiger Spiders, Pastel Tiger YBs, and Pastel Tiger Pinstripes. Not too mention all of the combos that would be produced in the effort to produce these snakes. With bigger females the possibility of 8 egg clutches is a reality which would then improve the odds that you would produce the most desired result.

If you have more money, bigger rack, etc... then you can start stacking the second project. This would be a much better idea than breeding a double co-dom (or even triple in some cases) to normals. At then end of the day you will be producing snakes that quite a few people are producing, and then you will have that much more competition when trying to sell/trade them.

If you have specific snakes that you want to produce then it can get real interesting. If you want to produce Crystal combos, you just get your hands on 6 Mojave combo females this year, then find a Special combo next year. If SuperStripes... Pick up as many YB combos females this year, then a Spector cross next year. The list goes on forever, but just look at the market, think about what snakes really interest you while at the same time paying attention to what is popular. With those ingredients, fun and money would be in the future!:)
Tom Baker

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This is what I have been thinking, really want a dessert but they are still quite expensive and rare in the UK.

Brilliant detailed advice =)

recessive females this year - multi gene males in 2012/13

This is a hobby that requires a lot of patience, no cutting corners.

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Originally Posted by ace_singapore

This is a hobby that requires a lot of patience, no cutting corners.

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Not trying to cut corners I was just unsure about what to buy next regarding my projects and trying to get the best results.