Pearl Ball python

Anybody have any info on woma x woma breeding? I know that it's not good and have heard to make them you need the hidden gene womas. Is this true or can you make them with regular woma x woma? Also does anybody know if there has been any success/progress with breeding this morph in reguards to the obvious issue with this particular morph? In addition how do you make the lesser pearl, is it just by breeding a lesser to a woma or lesser woma x lesser woma (hope that makes sense).If I am off on some of the particulars go easy on me, I'm no expert by any means, just trying to expand my understanding. Thanks

So far all the woma + woma pearls have not lived. From what I have read many died within the egg. Even when talking to large breeders they say the it seem like that cross is not very plausible. The only woma+ woma cross that has lived was the hidden woma crosses.

[QUOTE=dragonboy4578;1487938]So far all the woma + woma pearls have not lived. From what I have read many died within the egg. Even when talking to large breeders they say the it seem like that cross is not very plausible. The only woma+ woma cross that has lived was the hidden woma crosses.[/QUOTE

Ok, I was just wondering what the whole hidden gene thing was about. I have heard of breeders trying to figure it out. Very sweet snake though, too bad they dont make it.
Thanks

I dont know who did the video, but there is a video showing some pearls from NERD. All live and healthy.

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Originally Posted by Clear

I dont know who did the video, but there is a video showing some pearls from NERD. All live and healthy.

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This was the hidden gene woma though. I have read a thread or two that said that this pearl had severe wobble. I am not sure though. It was hot!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...DSCN0717-1.jpg

living and 100% normal behavior pearl

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...DSCN0717-1.jpg

living and 100% normal behavior pearl

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Thats awesome, Thanks

Wow! Two womas make that? :O It's gorgeous! :gj:

Never seen one till this thread.

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Originally Posted by KingPythons

Never seen one till this thread.

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I've posted it in every thread that calls for it since tinley park this year, first being this thread

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...nely-Park-pics

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Originally Posted by dragonboy4578

So far all the woma + woma pearls have not lived. From what I have read many died within the egg. Even when talking to large breeders they say the it seem like that cross is not very plausible. The only woma+ woma cross that has lived was the hidden woma crosses.

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Noo, not quite ...

By my understanding, it's the other way around.

The pearl comes from "hidden gene" woma x "hidden gene" woma. Most of them die due to severe neurologic impairment (can't sit upright, spin constantly, can't eat, fail to thrive). Evidently the one that OWAL was shown by Kevin is alive and well, though why this particular one seems to have survived is unclear. :confused:

AFAIK, the "regular" woma that most people work with is most likely simple dominant (ie, the homozygous "super" form looks exactly the same as the heterozygous form) though I haven't heard any suggestive "proof" one way or the other.

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

Evidently the one that OWAL was shown by Kevin is alive and well, though why this particular one seems to have survived is unclear. :confused:

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yea they said they had to do more breeding to figure out exactly what "fixed" this one

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...DSCN0717-1.jpg

living and 100% normal behavior pearl

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What's its price tag? Thx

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Originally Posted by ace_singapore

what's its price tag? Thx

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$nfs

Do you remember if anyone mentioned the pearl's gender? Wondering at minimum how many years to wait hoping for confirmation that it's a breedable homozygous HG Woma. NERD does so many awesome multi mutant crosses just wondering if they could have stumbled on some other combo that made a white snake without getting two copies of HG Woma as thought (i.e. maybe it’s not really a pearl even if both parents had HG woma and presumably a few other genes).

So far only ONE has ever survived and is still alive as of right now. Unfortunately all others die either in the egg or soon after hatching.
Take a look at this video i posted a while ago and you will see how bad they can get. At around the 5:10 mark is the more extreme one :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq4hOaROpwg

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Do you remember if anyone mentioned the pearl's gender? Wondering at minimum how many years to wait hoping for confirmation that it's a breedable homozygous HG Woma. NERD does so many awesome multi mutant crosses just wondering if they could have stumbled on some other combo that made a white snake without getting two copies of HG Woma as thought (i.e. maybe it’s not really a pearl even if both parents had HG woma and presumably a few other genes).

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This was my thought exactly, but evidently Kevin told the poster (OWAL) that he really thinks it's a pearl (homozygous HGW) ... :confused: I can't help but wonder if it is something else, though, since he says directly in the videos that all of the pearls are "byproducts" of breeding two animals with the HGW gene, so there must've been more to the parents than just straight HGW x HGW ...

Or, maybe the lethal recessive gene is just linked to the HGW gene, not a pleiotropic effect of it, and he finally hit on the homozygous HGW without being homozygous lethal! (That would be pretty awesome -- the first homozygous HGW cross in MABalls's video is rokken!)

I thought Kevin said it survived because it has something else mixed in with it. That HG Woma x HG Woma was fatal but if you added say Lesser(or any other morph) it would survive?

OT: Welcome to the Jungle is my ringtone so when I started the video I started going crazy looking for my phone..... "I can hear it.... Where's my phone".... lol

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

I thought Kevin said it survived because it has something else mixed in with it. That HG Woma x HG Woma was fatal but if you added say Lesser(or any other morph) it would survive?

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he has to do more breeding to figure out what fixed it, from my understanding everything is just theory right now.

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

This was my thought exactly, but evidently Kevin told the poster (OWAL) that he really thinks it's a pearl (homozygous HGW) ... :confused:

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

(i.e. maybe it’s not really a pearl even if both parents had HG woma and presumably a few other genes).

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Not that its not possible, but I highly doubt NERD would say they have a living pearl and not be sure its a pearl.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Not that its not possible, but I highly doubt NERD would say they have a living pearl and not be sure its a pearl.

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I agree, it seems very unlikely that he would tout it as such without being reasonably sure. I guess it just seems like with alllll of the many genes being tossed around in NERD breedings nowadays, it would be tough to ever be sure 100% what was in an animal!

And also, what with all of the many many combinations that turn out to make a white snake ... Even kind of unexpected ones ...

I really have a tough time envisioning an extra mutation somewhere else "fixing" whatever it is that causes the severe neuro signs in the pearl ... I guess it's possible, but it's hard to picture. Also, I thought the whole "lesser pearl" thing was a rumor ..??