need help asap

I paired my first normal ball with my new pastel earlier today and upon retuning home from work hoping to see a lock I came upon a tub that had feces urine and a small amount of blood in it. it appears my normal female bit the male pastel and drew a small amount of blood. both snakes had looked like they had defecated on eachother or at least passed through it. I separated them both after cleaning them off but I'm wondering what the deal is? this is my first attempt at breeding and would love if anyone could tell me what I could do next.

mine do that too sometimes its the female pushing out her scent glands or something i think or male hemipenes or something prety sure the females though. aslong as there notlooking really stressed or anything

okay so which part was normal the biting or the poop etc

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Originally Posted by Xan Powers

I paired my first normal ball with my new pastel earlier today and upon retuning home from work hoping to see a lock I came upon a tub that had feces urine and a small amount of blood in it. it appears my normal female bit the male pastel and drew a small amount of blood. both snakes had looked like they had defecated on eachother or at least passed through it. I separated them both after cleaning them off but I'm wondering what the deal is? this is my first attempt at breeding and would love if anyone could tell me what I could do next.

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Are you 100% sure you have a male and a female?

yes im pretty sure the normal i have is a female, she was probed when i brought her to jkobylkareptiles about two years ago and the pastel i just purchased from justin was probed again the day he was purchased just to provide peace of mind ha. any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Xan Powers

yes im pretty sure the normal i have is a female, she was probed when i brought her to jkobylkareptiles about two years ago and the pastel i just purchased from justin was probed again the day he was purchased just to provide peace of mind ha. any ideas?

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Well i was thinking you might have 2 males and thats why you had the "fight" between them.I am not knocking Justin but accidents do happen.

Do you see bitemarks ????

When Balls are breeding its normal to find blood it's from the hemipenis.

But offcourse it's not normal to bite each other.

Yeah, it sounds pretty normal to me. Mine pee and/or poop just about every time I pair them together. They normally leave some blood behind too (they are called "tracks"). It results from the snakes dragging their glands or hemipenes while courting. Unless you actually see bite marks...I would not worry much. Maybe double check the sexes, then put them together again and watch them closely.

yeah I did see very small bite marks on the male but am wondering if it could have been just blood that had rubbed onto him from the hemipenes because it wiped off fairly easy and did not continue to bleed at all. but a definite yes to the trails. thanks a lot for the info guys I appreciate it.

is it possible that I missed a lock while at work or is this just a sign of courting?

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Originally Posted by Xan Powers

is it possible that I missed a lock while at work or is this just a sign of courting?

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You could have missed a quick lock, but a good lock normally lasts for hours...If not days. My Mojo pair normally stay locked for 24+ hours. Kinda hard to miss that. :D

I would just pair them again and keep a close eye on them.

Mine lock for atleast 12 hours and sometimes up to 30 hours...

I cought my pair locked for 13 hours yesterday and they took a 2-3 hour break and have been locked again for 8 hours since... lol

haha that's more along the lines of what I was thinking. well I'm going to keep them separated until next meal then pair them up again and hope she's in the mood ;)

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Are you 100% sure you have a male and a female?

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Yep....you better triple check.:gj:

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Originally Posted by Xan Powers

yes im pretty sure the normal i have is a female, she was probed when i brought her to jkobylkareptiles about two years ago and the pastel i just purchased from justin was probed again the day he was purchased just to provide peace of mind ha. any ideas?

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Well he does know what he's doing, but BG would check again right now. Even the best of us can make a mistake.:gj:

Put them together and watch them for a while to see what happens.

ok I'm going to check again once I get home just for piece of mind :)

My 07 chocolate was sexed female by a breeder with decades of experience. I'm only good at popping hatchlings so I just took that sexing as gospel. Should have been suspicious when it never could seem to put the weight on to reach female breeding size but it wasn't until I tried to breed to my male mojave and all heck broke loose that I finally figured my chocolate thinks he’s male. Turns out he is a great breeder too as with only one short last minute run through several females he fathered at least most if not all the babies.

well I'm feeling pretty confident in the sexes of both so I will post lock up pics if I get any next week when pair two goes down

just wanted to let everyone who offered me their help that I awoke this morning to my first lock ever and boy was it great. will post pics after work tomorrow! thanks again everyone! my plan is to just pair the two every couple weeks and give them three days for copulation and hope for more locks until ovulation! I'm so excited.

Make sure you get an incubator ready.:)

Nothing worse than having eggs show up without an incubator ready!!!:P

oh I am about to get mine don't worry lol. I was looking into a hovabator since I am only going to be incubating one clutch this year. I've heard good things about them.

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oh I am about to get mine don't worry lol. I was looking into a hovabator since I am only going to be incubating one clutch this year. I've heard good things about them.

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I would make one out of a bar fridge so you have more room and it is cheaper! You will expand your collection and need the room in the future. You might as well spend the money now and be ready for future breedings! Just my thought!