Genetic banded spider or reduced spider?

http://imageevent.com/livingartrepti...=0&y=0&z=9&l=0

I was just going through some pics of random morphs and saw this.

My issue is it looks EXCATLY like a spider I produced last year. I breaded a bumble bee and a normal. The normal has a reduced patern. lower pic is mine, upper link is the sites.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...ider4Fpic4.jpg

Think my normal is something different?? or did I just hit it real lucky on a cool reg spider??

That was supposed to be genetic banded not striped... sorry

Just a reduced Spider, i don't see any bands in the picture you posted. A beautiful snake, but it is only what you have bred him to be, a Spider with a really nice pattern.

I'm going to go with what was said above, a really nice reduced spider. That normal is a normal you should keep.

& you breaded your snakes? did you intend on eating them? :P ( lol I'm just teasing you)

Understand.. :) but Idon't see a major difference in the 2003 nerd pic either..

And thank you to the admin that changed the topic name.. :)

That isn't the best pic I posted.. I'll try to find a beter one.. they are almost excatly alike..

I hope I can produce more, I only solded that redcuced spider to try to get my BEL. I even priced it high not wanting to get rid of it.. but it sold.. and is in good hands and looks great now too.. :)

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...ider4Fpic4.jpg

Think my normal is something different?? or did I just hit it real lucky on a cool reg spider??

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Looks like a plain ole Spider to me.....this is reduced:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LAXgMorMCE...ptile+Guru.jpg

That reduced you showed has more pattern on the side of the snake then mine.. yes, the top is less but not the sides.. Wish I had better pics then these.. Think there was only 5 or so stripes top to bottem on the whole body.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...en/Spider1.gif

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

That reduced you showed has more pattern on the side of the snake then mine.. yes, the top is less but not the sides.. Wish I had better pics then these.. Think there was only 5 or so stripes top to bottem on the whole body.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...en/Spider1.gif

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Reduced doesn't mean less side pattern, it means over all reduced pattern. Your spider has much pattern on the top half of it's body. That spider I showed you is about as reduced as they come, probably the absolute best example of a reduced spider.
What you are referring to is a barbwire back spider. The pattern looks like a barbwire strip running along the spine with no real patterns on it's sides.
As well as there is no such thing as a "genetic banded" spider. If so that would include bands that wrap around the spiders body horizontally, which yours doesn't have.

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Originally Posted by MitsuMike

Reduced doesn't mean less side pattern, it means over all reduced pattern. Your spider has much pattern on the top half of it's body. That spider I showed you is about as reduced as they come, probably the absolute best example of a reduced spider.
What you are referring to is a barbwire back spider. The pattern looks like a barbwire strip running along the spine with no real patterns on it's sides.
As well as there is no such thing as a "genetic banded" spider. If so that would include bands that wrap around the spiders body horizontally, which yours doesn't have.

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The idea of the genetic banded spider I got from a pic I linked above saying from NERD that it's a "Gentic Banded x Spider" back in 2003.. So you might want to call them up and say they were wrong....

Never heard of a Barbwire back spider... Since it came from a normal and a bumble bee and only ended up with the spider gene and what seems to be the reduced pattern from the mom I would of called it a reduced pattern spider, since the pattern is reduced from a normal spider.

not a expert, and never said I was... but chill.....

While I can't speak for Mike, I can say I read through these threads and it didn't sound like he was attacking you, simply trying to clarify the differences in spider patterns. I know it's sometimes difficult to read as you can't convey tonality in a forum post, but I personally didn't get the sense that he was being a jerk.

That being said, you've produced a very nice animal. I generally feel that it is a reduced pattern spider. I also know what you're talking about with regard to GRP (genetic reduced pattern or "banded" looking animals.) There's an example of one in the headhunters guide to morphs sticky. It's kind of like a Woma but a little darker and without the head pattern, just blushing.

Anyway - great looking snake. I hope it is genetic and you are able to reproduce it as I would enjoy owning one of them :)

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

The idea of the genetic banded spider I got from a pic I linked above saying from NERD that it's a "Gentic Banded x Spider" back in 2003.. So you might want to call them up and say they were wrong....

Never heard of a Barbwire back spider... Since it came from a normal and a bumble bee and only ended up with the spider gene and what seems to be the reduced pattern from the mom I would of called it a reduced pattern spider, since the pattern is reduced from a normal spider.

not a expert, and never said I was... but chill.....

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You asked and I told you, nothing more nothing less. Your trying to argue with no point. The pattern on it is a barbwire back spider. A spider is a spider is a spider. There has been no proven line to a spider besides spider. Now patterns tend to be different like you have here. Most people refer to a spider with the pattern of your as a "black back" or "barbwire" spider, if you like or not that is what it is.
I'm perfectly fine, your arguing for no reason. Why ask a question if you don't like the answer.
And as for your NERD reference, they haven't proven it to genetic so I don't have to tell them they are wrong, seeing they never said it to be genetic. There is no genetic line of a reduced pattern animal. Now in a sense it is "genetic" because it has to do with genes but that's about it. A normal spider can throw a reduced pattern or a barbwire spider.

Sorry for taking your post as a "Your wrong and I'm right" kinda comment..

I do see where you say the pic you posted is a reduced spider and has very little black pattern on it at all.

I'm still new to the game and am still seeing so many things I havn't before..

I didn't know they didn't prove that spider. All I was going off of was a pic that said Genetic banded x spider and said NERD 2003... To me that makes me think that there is 2 morphs in the snake in the picture, and me seeing mine in person it looked ALOT like it...

I got a pic from the new owner now that is it a little bigger.

Either way i beleive it is a gorgous example of a spider... Thank everyone for the comments!

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...oat3months.jpg

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

Either way i beleive it is a gorgous example of a spider... Thank everyone for the comments!

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...oat3months.jpg

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Agreed :gj: