Strange Cinny X ?????

Any ideas on what to put to this lad ? I'm def going to put a normal to him and a pastel, But any other ideas ?

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Id put him at the least to a normal and a Cinny. The normal to possibly make more and the Cinny to maybe prove him with a super?

I would say a yellow belly and a couple normals. Unless you have lots of waiting ladies, then maybe some things like a spider pinstripe Enchi fire.

i always tell people yellow belly and mojave. they both seem to be keystones for unlocking other morphs.
adam jeffery

I second others' comments -- if possible, I'd breed him to a YB, mojave and cinnamon ... His pattern reminds me of a mojo, belly reminds me of a YB, but he's kind of got a bit of a cinny "look" to him. Really neat snake!

Re-reading your original post, is this guy CB? If so, what breeding produced him?

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

I second others' comments -- if possible, I'd breed him to a YB, mojave and cinnamon ... His pattern reminds me of a mojo, belly reminds me of a YB, but he's kind of got a bit of a cinny "look" to him. Really neat snake!

Re-reading your original post, is this guy CB? If so, what breeding produced him?

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Thanks for all the responses, I have a female mojave who will be up to weight by the end of next season so that will be in the pipe line.

He is CB and was sold as a Cinny to start with but he's breeder is unknown and so is his origin, It was sourced from a friend of mine who got it from another guy with a few others and then a another friend of mine got him in a trade then put him up for sale so I bought him.

But we do know he is def a Cinnamon but looks to have a twist :)

Definitely at least another cinny. Who knows what kind of supers he could produce ;)

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Originally Posted by Lupe

Definitely at least another cinny. Who knows what kind of supers he could produce ;)

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Thanks Lupe :)

I will have to get another cinny lol need to get a YB female as well.

Hmm, interesting.

It's too bad you can't trace the source to the breeder to find out if he was born that dark, or if he underwent a color change at some point. To me, he doesn't really have that Dirty Joe/IMG/"presto-chango snake" look to him, but I've seen it happen with my own animals enough times now to question if there's a metabolic (and not genetic) cause whenever I see an especially light or dark animal.

Otherwise if you don't get something neat in the first generation, I would think your best bet would be to breed back his female offspring to him to see if it could potentially be a recessive hypermelanism overlaying the cinnamon trait. He does kinda remind me a bit of this type of hypermel, though, which evidently hasn't proven genetic:

http://ralphdavisreptiles.com/collec...all_python.asp

Doesn't hurt to try, though!

Normal and a mojave. I want to see if he's genetic, and I want to see how he plays with a mojo--if there's sable in there, for example, it'll pop out with the mojave.

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

Hmm, interesting.

It's too bad you can't trace the source to the breeder to find out if he was born that dark, or if he underwent a color change at some point. To me, he doesn't really have that Dirty Joe/IMG/"presto-chango snake" look to him, but I've seen it happen with my own animals enough times now to question if there's a metabolic (and not genetic) cause whenever I see an especially light or dark animal.

Otherwise if you don't get something neat in the first generation, I would think your best bet would be to breed back his female offspring to him to see if it could potentially be a recessive hypermelanism overlaying the cinnamon trait. He does kinda remind me a bit of this type of hypermel, though, which evidently hasn't proven genetic:

http://ralphdavisreptiles.com/collec...all_python.asp

Doesn't hurt to try, though!

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I know what you mean about tracing his parents and the original breeder, From what I've been told is he was like that when he was a hatchling and he just keeps getting darker and darker he's head resembles a super cinny.

I'm hoping he does prove to be genetic ;) I have had alot of input with him already about what he could be some even think he isn't a cinny and something else.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Normal and a mojave. I want to see if he's genetic, and I want to see how he plays with a mojo--if there's sable in there, for example, it'll pop out with the mojave.

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Cheers Loon :)

I'll get him to a normal once he's home ( He is currently at a friends until I can pick him up ) and quarrentined, I will get him to a Mojo when my female is up to weight I will see if I can buy a YB and Cinny female and another Mojave ;)

Hi,

I'd love to see what he brings to the table when combined with sable, black pastel, pied and a really reduced spider.

The first two just for the darkening, the pied and spider for the head colour contrast with the body. ;)


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

I'd love to see what he brings to the table when combined with sable, black pastel, pied and a really reduced spider.

The first two just for the darkening, the pied and spider for the head colour contrast with the body. ;)


dr del

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Thanks Del :) Hopefully I should have a Black Pastel next season will be trying to get a grown on/adult female and some pied females hatching ;)

Hopefully my spider will pass on his genetics to his off spring because that would make a good combo :D