pied-spot? without spots?

so i found on kingsnake.com

a 99%white spotnose pied.

i find this INTENCE
no head pattern??? i was under the impression that it doesn't happen?

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSCF3782.jpg


if i had 7500 bucks, i would. for now i guess i'll just buy a spot-nose and pied and start from there.

you know.. It is neat looking.. but I kinda DON'T like it.. because it is just.. another white snake (almost)

I gotta have SOME more pattern then that one inch of tail.. LOL

:rofl:

yeah i think its kewl, but not 7500$ kewl.

i love color more than pattern. and a white snake thats not a BEL isn't my cup'o'tea.

nice though.

The white head sometimes seems to happen when a dominant morph with a color- or pattern-reducing tendency mixes with the pied gene. Google panda pied and cinnamon pied. (People don't think of black pastels and cinnamons as pattern- or color-reducing, but the white does go pretty high up their sides. And the supers have a look to them that resembles white-lipped pythons.)

...on the other hand, the mojave gene (aka white gold pied) increases the overall white, but pretty much guarantees a dark head. Go figure, right?

the spied can also have no head pattern.

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Originally Posted by sookieball

:rofl:

yeah i think its kewl, but not 7500$ kewl.

i love color more than pattern. and a white snake thats not a BEL isn't my cup'o'tea.

nice though.

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All white pied and BEL are night and day. The pieds are clean white. I have still not seen any leucy that is as white as a pied. Pieds get a :gj: in my book. ;)

champagne pieds and pewter pieds just have a little circled spot on top of the head. the rest of the head and body is white too.

in normal pieds ure correct- they always have a colored head (at least i never heard of one that doesnt), but as mentioned before, some combos make white heads while others are completly full body colored like the enchi pied or the desert pied.

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Originally Posted by joe23

champagne pieds and pewter pieds just have a little circled spot on top of the head. the rest of the head and body is white too.

in normal pieds ure correct- they always have a colored head (at least i never heard of one that doesnt), but as mentioned before, some combos make white heads while others are completly full body colored like the enchi pied or the desert pied.

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Only one of the three Pewter Pieds has the circle cap on the head. It is also developing a random black speckles here and there.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/181c72a0.jpg
The other two have complete sockheads that go back about 1/2"-1" behind the head.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/9e0f11b9.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/02fbaccf.jpg

My future plans with this project are to breed the Enchi gene into the Pewter Pied to increase the pattern. I'm crossing my fingers in hopes this idea works....my ultimate goal is the Super Pewter Pied.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/06756bde.jpg
......similar to this guy

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Only one of the three Pewter Pieds has the circle cap on the head. It is also developing a random black speckles here and there.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/181c72a0.jpg
The other two have complete sockheads that go back about 1/2"-1" behind the head.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/9e0f11b9.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/02fbaccf.jpg
My future plans with this project are to breed the Enchi gene into the Pewter Pied to increase the pattern. I'm crossing my fingers in hopes this idea works....my ultimate goal is the Super Pewter Pied.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/06756bde.jpg
......similar to this guy

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the first one has a grey head and the next 2 have a normal/cinni colored head can the first one be a pewter pied and the other cinni pieds and that 4th snake is out of this world. all of them look awesome good luck on your future projects cant wait to see the enchi pewter pied.

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Originally Posted by chago11

the first one has a grey head and the next 2 have a normal/cinni colored head can the first one be a pewter pied and the other cinni pieds and that 4th snake is out of this world. all of them look awesome good luck on your future projects cant wait to see the enchi pewter pied.

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No. They are all Pewter Pieds. When compairing the head color to a cinny, they are completely different. Cinny heads are much darker. These also hatched out with silver heads identical to their pewter clutchmates. There was no mistaking. Thanks for the compliments. I can't wait to the see Enchi Pewter Pied either. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/06756bde.jpg
......similar to this guy

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That guy is phenomenal! Do you know what he is or was he one of the "mysteries?" (I seem to recall you had a few really cool "mystery babies," or am I mis-remembering?)

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

That guy is phenomenal! Do you know what he is or was he one of the "mysteries?" (I seem to recall you had a few really cool "mystery babies," or am I mis-remembering?)

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I have to agree with you. He gets better as he grows. He is one of the mysteries, but we are guessing the pied gene is bringing out the random patches. He is a Super Pewter pos. het Pied, from Pewter het Pied X Pewter.

The other super from the same clutch is getting better and better as it grows also. If he doesn't sell before too long, I'm going to have to hold out and breed him to something just to see if there is something else going on with him too.

Man, he is just too awesome ...

It would be very cool if the pied gene could be consistently used to produce something that wild ... Kinda makes me wonder what other things might go all wibbly if you throw even a single pied gene at it! :D

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

No. They are all Pewter Pieds. When compairing the head color to a cinny, they are completely different. Cinny heads are much darker. These also hatched out with silver heads identical to their pewter clutchmates. There was no mistaking. Thanks for the compliments. I can't wait to the see Enchi Pewter Pied either. :gj:

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Can you send me a pewter pied and a cinni pied so i can see the difference in person:D j/k keep us updated with this project.:please:

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

I have to agree with you. He gets better as he grows. He is one of the mysteries, but we are guessing the pied gene is bringing out the random patches. He is a Super Pewter pos. het Pied, from Pewter het Pied X Pewter.

The other super from the same clutch is getting better and better as it grows also. If he doesn't sell before too long, I'm going to have to hold out and breed him to something just to see if there is something else going on with him too.

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I wonder if this is what Kevin was talking about when he said that the het pied gene acts like a morph when its in a multi gene snake.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/06756bde.jpg

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:D I would call that a Merle, True Harlequin or Huckleberry BP. :gj:

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Originally Posted by chago11

I wonder if this is what Kevin was talking about when he said that the het pied gene acts like a morph when its in a multi gene snake.

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I think so. Some of the Pastel het Pieds we have look a bit different, as well as the Pewter Pieds. Seems the pied gene causes striping in Pewters. If I think about it, I'll try to get pics of the cinny pos. het Pieds we have from the same clutch as the Super Pewters. One looks different, the other looks like a typical cinny. The Super Pastel from that clutch look unlike any Super Pastel we've ever seen. We THINK it's from the pied gene. Only time will tell.