bumblebee?

if i remember correctly a bumblebee is a
spider X pastel =
25% normal
25% pastel
25% spider
25% bee?

now if i did spider X super pastel would theat render a different set of statistics? or just a nicer color bee or would it be a super bee? honeybee?

and what is the stats on a spider X normal? 50/50?

can a spider go with a ghost?

You got the genetic percentages right. If you bred a Spider to a Super Pastel you can don't get any normals. So it would be 50% Pastels and 50% bee's.

Yes a Spider can go with a Ghost, but keep in mind they are going to be Spider het Ghost offspring and not all lines of Ghost are compatible, so you would need to breed to breed the offspring together or to a compatible line of Ghost.

would the bees from the spider X super pastel be brighter than the bees from a spider X normal pastel?

and what if you breed the bee from clutch 1 to parent spider? would it be the same results as a spider X bee? and what would that be just 50/50 again?

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Originally Posted by Tidus10

would the bees from the spider X super pastel be brighter than the bees from a spider X normal pastel?

and what if you breed the bee from clutch 1 to parent spider? would it be the same results as a spider X bee? and what would that be just 50/50 again?

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super pastel x spider would pop out:


bumble bees
spiders
and pastels.

but yes u may get lucky and get cleaner bee's.
with a reduced pattern spider and nice clean super pastel.

this is just speculation, but i have heard that most people will not breed spider to spider because the spider gene already is a lill defective with the wobble.
its said that its an offspring killer to breed spiderxspider.
i read that along time ago on this forum so if im wrong im sure someone will chime in.

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Originally Posted by sookieball

super pastel x spider would pop out:


bumble bees
spiders
and pastels.

but yes u may get lucky and get cleaner bee's.
with a reduced pattern spider and nice clean super pastel.

this is just speculation, but i have heard that most people will not breed spider to spider because the spider gene already is a lill defective with the wobble.
its said that its an offspring killer to breed spiderxspider.
i read that along time ago on this forum so if im wrong im sure someone will chime in.

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It hasn't been proven 100% that spider x spider kills all the offspring, but when people did do it, it never was sucessful, so no one even tries the pairing as it is a big waste of time.

If you breed the parent spider back to a bee, you might get all dead in the egg babies or slugs. I wouldn't do that pairing, but you can try.

The Bee's would not be any brighter, the only way you can make a brighter bee is by using a Lemon Pastel.

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Originally Posted by sookieball

super pastel x spider would pop out:


bumble bees
spiders
and pastels.

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Nope...won't get any spiders with a super pastel x spider. All the babies would inherit one pastel gene...and about half of them would also get a spider gene to make the bees.

So pastels and bees are the only babies you'd hatch with that combo.

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Originally Posted by steveboos

The Bee's would not be any brighter, the only way you can make a brighter bee is by using a Lemon Pastel.

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I don't think it necessarily has to be a "lemon" pastel to get bright bees...any high quality pastel can throw high quality bees.

I DO agree that just because one parent is a "super" doesn't mean the quality of the babies will necessarily be any higher. That would be entirely (or at least mostly! LOL) dependent on the quality of the genes that made up the super to begin with.

thanks judy and steve.

yeah since i had read the spider Xing i have never heard anyone trying it again.
no posts, or nothing.

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I don't think it necessarily has to be a "lemon" pastel to get bright bees...any high quality pastel can throw high quality bees.

I DO agree that just because one parent is a "super" doesn't mean the quality of the babies will necessarily be any higher. That would be entirely (or at least mostly! LOL) dependent on the quality of the genes that made up the super to begin with.

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agreed.

but you know enchixspider pop out some killer clean gorgeous ones!
i think they are called stinger bee's. but im sure im wrong. a be would have to have pastel so it'd be an enchi bumble bee right<stinger bee? enchi and fire both clean up.

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... a be would have to have pastel so it'd be an enchi bumble bee right<stinger bee? enchi and fire both clean up.

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In my own internal logic, I always figured that if a combo is called "anything-bee" then it SHOULD have both pastel and spider, plus whatever else is in there that causes a different name. However, that is not the case. A "lesser-bee" is a spider x lesser. A "queen bee" is a spider-pastel-lesser.

I guess a stinger-bee is simply an enchi x a spider...but frankly, my rickety old memory has a hard time keeping up with all the different combo names. Personally, I prefer to stick with remembering the names of the base morphs...and then calling the combos by what they are. (ie: spider/pastel/lesser) But that's just me. :P

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In my own internal logic, I always figured that if a combo is called "anything-bee" then it SHOULD have both pastel and spider, plus whatever else is in there that causes a different name. However, that is not the case. A "lesser-bee" is a spider x lesser. A "queen bee" is a spider-pastel-lesser.

I guess a stinger-bee is simply an enchi x a spider...but frankly, my rickety old memory has a hard time keeping up with all the different combo names. Personally, I prefer to stick with remembering the names of the base morphs...and then calling the combos by what they are. (ie: spider/pastel/lesser) But that's just me. :P

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yeah i was just telling my husband last night that there's to many blasted
combo nick names to memorize than ensure that you remember
what is in that combo.

but stinger bee's are sweet! the bright stripe(not a real stripe but) down the dorsal's are sick!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfmwdFHTvVM ralph davis's video shows what i mean!

I was searching the web the other day and came across a killerbee.. And for the killerbee it said something interesting.. It said that a Killerbee = Super Pastel X Spider

But everything here says that Super Pastel (or normal Pastel) X spider = Bumblebee...anyone have more information on this?

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I was searching the web the other day and came across a killerbee.. And for the killerbee it said something interesting.. It said that a Killerbee = Super Pastel X Spider

But everything here says that Super Pastel (or normal Pastel) X spider = Bumblebee...anyone have more information on this?

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yea i thought it was

super pastel x spider = killerbee

thats the way i have always known it.

To make a killerbee you need both parents to carry the pastel gene.

Super pastel X Spider = 50% pastels and 50% bumblebees by odds

pastel / spider = bumble bee
pastel / pastel / spider = killer bee

Since a parent can only pass 1 gene of a set to the babies, you have to have both parents with a pastel gene to pass along. So if the babie gets 1 spider gene from a parent and each parent passes along a pastel gene you get a supper pastel spider = killer bee.

When breading a killer bee it will always pass 1 pastel gene and 50/50 chance on passing a spider gene.

i dont think anyone mentioned .. super pastel / bumblebee .. i always thought this is how you get killerbee...
thanks

Hi,

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I was searching the web the other day and came across a killerbee.. And for the killerbee it said something interesting.. It said that a Killerbee = Super Pastel X Spider

But everything here says that Super Pastel (or normal Pastel) X spider = Bumblebee...anyone have more information on this?

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You're confusing the ingredients with the recipie. :P

A killerbee contains a superpastel (ie 2 pastel genes ) and spider.

To make one however both parents needs to have a pastel gene to pass on and at least one of them also has to have a spider gene.

To summarise a killerbee is a superpastel spider but cannot be made by pairing a superpastel and a spider.

Does that make it any clearer?


dr del

Spider has to be atleast on 1 side and atleast 1 pastel has to be on both sides of the pairing to even get the chance of a killerbee..

Best odds would be 2 killer bees pairing.. lol making all offsrping atleast a superpastel and each parent would have a 50% chance of passing the spider gene.

this has been bothering me but u all keep sayin that the parents can only pass on one gene which doesnt make sense because how would u get multiple gene animals like some of nerds 4 or 5 morph snakes that he has produced
way i see it is like this

To get a Bumblebee u need pastel x spider
then to get killerbee u breed that bumblebee x pastel
or get a superpastel x spider
because bumblebee gene is a gene that can be passed on right?
thats the way i understand it

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this has been bothering me but u all keep sayin that the parents can only pass on one gene which doesnt make sense because how would u get multiple gene animals like some of nerds 4 or 5 morph snakes that he has produced
way i see it is like this

To get a Bumblebee u need pastel x spider
then to get killerbee u breed that bumblebee x pastel
or get a superpastel x spider
because bumblebee gene is a gene that can be passed on right?
thats the way i understand it

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Each Parent can only pass on one copy of any given gene it has. A Spider can pass on 1 spider gene. A Bumblebee has 2 genes (concerning its color/patern) it can pass on 1 Pastel and 1 Spider. A Killerbee will pass on 1 Pastel gene and can pass on 1 Spider gene.
Each parent has the same ability to pass on its genes.
A Spider can not pass on 2 Spider genes (it doesn't have 2 to pass on either). A Bumblebee can not pass on 2 Pastel or 2 Spider genes (again it doesnt have 2 it could pass anyways). A Killerbee can not pass on 2 Pastel or 2 Spider genes (it does have 2 copies of the pastel gene but it can ONLY pass on 1 copy).

Homozygous - means a pair of identical genes. These may be two identical normal genes or two identical mutant genes. This is how a Super is made. pair or Pastel genes makes a super pastel.

Heterozygous - means a pair of non-identical alleles. Alleles are different versions of the same gene. The usual case is a normal allele paired with a changed (mutant) allele. An individual that is heterozygous for a codominant mutant gene does not look normal and does not look like an individual that is homozygous for the codominant mutant gene. This is like a normal pastel since it will have 1 normal and 1 pastel.

Since each Parent will always pass just 1 of a gene pair the babies end up with 2, 1 from mom and 1 from dad. This gives the Baby 2 alleles or each gene.

M= mutant gene N=Normal gene.

Mom has MM and dad has NN. Mom will pass 1 M and dad 1 N. giving baby MN.

If said Mutant gene was a pastel. then mom would be a super pastel, dad would be a normal and babie would be a pastel.

You can do this with each gene like spider, lesser, mojave, pastel, and so on....

Hope this helps.. lol.. I think I confused my self writing this!

Hi,

See if this post explains it all clearly.


dr del

Subdriven, your explanation is great except that (just to be nit-picky! :rolleyes: ) the convention in basic Mendelian genetics is to use the same letter to designate all alleles on a given locus, with an uppercase letter assigned to a dominant or co-dominant allele and lowercase assigned to a recessive allele. For example:

Albino:

A = Wild-type (produces normal pigment)
a = albino mutant (does not produce normal pigment)

AA = Non-het albino wild-type
Aa = Het albino
aa = Albino

Pastel:

P = Pastel
p = Wild-type

Pp = Pastel
PP = Super pastel


... It can get a lot more complicated than that, of course, but I'll spare you :rofl:

lol thanks.. wasn't trying to do a full square or go even more complicated then I did.. just thought that would be simple to understand that way... :P