Building a collection

I wanted some opinions about het's! If you wanted to build a collection but really couldn't afford to buy some morphs but can afford to buy a pair of hets! Do you think it's a good investment! I want to build up a great collection and start a few different projects.

SO BP.NET LET ME HEAR SOME OF YOUR OPINIONS!

THANKS IN ADVANCE

This is the same way I'm planing on building my collection.

I started building my collection with co-dom, and dominate animals because of the price difference.... If you want to work with hets I would buy a few female hets, and save fer a few years and buy a visual male......Gives you a whole lot better odds..... Depending what you like though, you cant go wrong with a few female pastels.......

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RoyalContrictor has a few group packages that I like. For instance Het Albino's for 165, When the het female is 150. Why not spend the extra 15 bucks. Just like their Het Hypos. I just want to try to build a nice collection. I'm going to buy some Dom's and CoDoms as well:D:D:D

There's nothing wrong with starting with hets but if you can IMO the way to go is to purchase 1 or 2 female hets and then in the first year sometime pick up a co-dom het or a visual male depending on what your trying to create :)
By the time the female(s) are 2 yrs old the male will be a year old and both hopefully ready to breed.

Get female hets from a reliable source and a visual male. Breeding het to het by no means guarantees you a visual morph which to me would be quite frustrating after 2-3yrs of work raising them. Breeding het to het is also going to give you a bunch of possible hets which are no fun either. When working with recessives breed visuals to hets if possible.... if you can't afford both snakes snakes now then pick up a female het to start raising up and get a visual male down the road.

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Originally Posted by ChadOwens

Get female hets from a reliable source and a visual male. Breeding het to het by no means guarantees you a visual morph which to me would be quite frustrating after 2-3yrs of work raising them. Breeding het to het is also going to give you a bunch of possible hets which are no fun either. When working with recessives breed visuals to hets if possible.... if you can't afford both snakes snakes now then pick up a female het to start raising up and get a visual male down the road.

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Thanks,

But do you still take a chance for a expensive snake like Piebald. I'm interested in Pieds but i don't know if i will have $1000 for one in the future. So would that be a safe gamble or no?

out of curiosity why is it bad to have a het male? I have a 100% het male albino... I was planning on getting an albino female.. why is that bad??

THanks

Brandon:salute:

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Originally Posted by bdevo

out of curiosity why is it bad to have a het male? I have a 100% het male albino... I was planning on getting an albino female.. why is that bad??

THanks

Brandon:salute:

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From what I'm getting is that you have better odds with having a morph with the het vs having 2 hets. maybe someone will clairfy it more that just what i was getting!

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Originally Posted by BEasy119

From what I'm getting is that you have better odds with having a morph with the het vs having 2 hets. maybe someone will clairfy it more that just what i was getting!

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makes sense, but if i have an ALBINO female like not het is it the same odds as if i had a male ALBINO and a female HET?? or is there better odds with female? im confused..

Sorry

Brandon

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Originally Posted by bdevo

makes sense, but if i have an ALBINO female like not het is it the same odds as if i had a male ALBINO and a female HET?? or is there better odds with female? im confused..

Sorry

Brandon

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I think the odds are the same as long as you have one of the morph and one het! I don't think it matters about the sexes

In My opinion i think building a collection will go better with co-doms producing supers and double codoms.

When produced you can sell/trade to get visual recessives and build up faster rather playing the genetic gamble with het x het.

If you have say 3 female hets and 1 male visual. You have better odds, since the male can breed all the females. If you are working with a 1.1 pair, then it doesnt really matter which is the het or visual.

They are also trying to say to by the female het NOW for cheaper.. use a year to raise her up and raise money for a visual male LATER and raise him, that way they are both ready to go at the same time.... and give you time to save the money. IF you bought a het male now and saved money for a visual female you would either have to buy a older female or wait another 2 years maybe 3 to be able to breed.

ok thanks makes sense, yeah im going to try and buy an older female visual, money really isnt a problem, sorry for the thread hijack, im just in the same spot as OP!!

Brandon!

If money isn't a problem you have more choices.. :)

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Originally Posted by Subdriven

If money isn't a problem you have more choices.. :)

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haha i know but im gonna wait for the expensive ones after i successfully do my first clutch :D

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Originally Posted by BEasy119

Thanks,

But do you still take a chance for a expensive snake like Piebald. I'm interested in Pieds but i don't know if i will have $1000 for one in the future. So would that be a safe gamble or no?

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If you are going for pieds and don't think you will be able to put together the money for a visual male then I would recommend getting multiple 100% het pied females. If you breed a 100% het pied male to say 2 or 3 100% het pied females then that makes more sense and you are very likely to get some pieds.

I'm sure you can find a good deal on 1.2 or 1.3 100% het pieds which would be a great project! Just be careful with who you get your hets from or you may end up with lots of normals in a few years!

The odds are the same wether it is a male or female that you get the visual of. If you buy the het females and raise them that gives you time to save for a visual male. That said, Once you get the male you can grow him up and add him into you dom/co-dom projects. And the project grows from there.
Ex:...Ill go with pieds since thats what your shooting for...Get your 2 het pied females and start growing them. Save for a pied male. If you pick up some older females along the way plug him in. Pastel females are fairly cheap now. Next season you can breed the pied x pastel and make pastel het pieds. Start growing them up and the following season your hets should be ready. Now plug him into those two and the project keeps growing...
Hope thats not too confusing for you. Good luck!

The way you build your collection is totally up to what your goals are. If you are shooting for pieds, Buy a bunch of 2010 100% Het girls and in 2 years buy a visual male.
I personally would go the co-dom/dom route. I would buy some 2010 pastel females, mojave females, spider females, then in 2 years get a hatchling combo male maybe a lesser/pastel or lesser/cinny? That would give you a bunch of different combos/morphs to hatch in about 3 years. I wish I did it that way...lol

I also want to start with het pairs for a reason. Why, because if you do produce the morph. It'll be a surprise, and something YOU produced!

I personally do not think so. In my opinion, you will make a lot more off of a visual bred to hets than het to het. In het to het, your chances of producing a visual are lessened, and all of the hets are possible hets, so they are tough to sell for anything but normal prices. In visual to het, your chances of producing hets are higher, and all the normal looking snakes will be hets, so you can sell them easier, and at a higher rate.

I've got het's and visuals and to be honest I'm more excited about my Het X Het breeding than my Visual X Het breeding.

I think most of it is down to the excitment of not knowing what is in the eggs granted with visual X het you don't know if you will hit the odds but you have more of a chance of hitting the odds. I have a pair of het clowns and I know for sure that when I produce eggs from those I will be hanging on the edge of my seat to see what pops out.

After all it's not all about the money is it !

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Originally Posted by Tempestas

I've got het's and visuals and to be honest I'm more excited about my Het X Het breeding than my Visual X Het breeding.

I think most of it is down to the excitment of not knowing what is in the eggs granted with visual X het you don't know if you will hit the odds but you have more of a chance of hitting the odds. I have a pair of het clowns and I know for sure that when I produce eggs from those I will be hanging on the edge of my seat to see what pops out.

After all it's not all about the money is it !

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