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Chocolate X cinnamon?

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  • 11-20-2010, 03:32 PM
    JMD
    Chocolate X cinnamon?
    I've searched and have not found anything, and when I spoke with Brian from BHB and he said he has never heard of it being done. Does anyone know if this cross has ever been done? I'm hoping for it next year, but would really like to see one if it has been done

    Thanks
  • 11-20-2010, 03:37 PM
    jjmitchell
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
    Havent heard anything about it.... be a dark snakie.... good luck and let usknow what turns up
  • 11-20-2010, 07:10 PM
    sookieball
    yeah keep us posted! i'd like to see some pix of this..
  • 11-21-2010, 01:07 AM
    RandyRemington
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
    I'm hoping to try it this year but the chocolate girl I want to use is a little small and I also want to breed her to some other males. That girl is actually chocolate mojave and I liked the cinnamon mojave combo so much when I saw it in a post recently I decided to try the cinnamon male on her too in addition to a chocolate male and a pastel yb male that might also be chocolate. So no telling what if anything I’ll actually hatch but I bet a cinnamon mojave chocolate would be nice.
  • 06-25-2011, 01:20 AM
    CentralCoastPython
    im interested in trying this as well.. if you produce one before i do and its awesome you should call it a mexican mocha ball.. good luck!!!
  • 06-25-2011, 12:30 PM
    dr del
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
    Hi,

    There is already a morph called the mocha. ;)


    dr del
  • 06-26-2011, 06:07 AM
    Tempestas
    I'd be interested in seeing this combo as well also the Super chocolate cinnamon and the Super Sable Cinnamon :)
  • 06-26-2011, 08:21 PM
    RandyRemington
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
    I got 6 eggs this morning from my chocolate (Garcia line) mojave female bred to among others a cinnamon 50% chance het hypo. So she has a chance of producing a chocolate cinnamon mojave. Because of the other males used she also has a chance of producing mojave super chocolate, super mojave chocolate (wouldn't expect much from the chocolate), and even maybe pastel yellow belly super chocolate mojave. So hope I can hatch most of these eggs and hit even one of those.

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201106...011clutch9.jpg
  • 09-01-2011, 04:34 PM
    JMD
    Hey Randy,

    Just wondering if you hit on it? I'm really looking forward to seeing it
  • 09-01-2011, 05:38 PM
    chago11
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
  • 09-02-2011, 12:05 AM
    RandyRemington
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
    Yes, I was just taking pictures of the rest of this clutch tonight. In the middle of some updates on the computer I'm going to upload those pics to but hope to post them here later tonight. I'm going to need some help figuring out what everything is and hope I’m not wrong on that one above being a chocolate cinnamon Mojave (it could be a super chocolate Mojave) as someone’s cataloged the picture already.
  • 09-04-2011, 09:46 AM
    RandyRemington
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
    I had thought this one might be a cinnamon mojave but she isn't as nice as other savanna pictures I've seen posted so I'm wondering if she could be the chocolate cinnamon combo.

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109..._clutch9f3.jpg

    Here is a pic showing a little more of her lower side.

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109...h9f3_belly.jpg

    And here is a sister from this clutch (chocolate mojave X chocolate, cinnamon het hypo, pastel yb chocolate?) that I'm really lost on:

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109..._clutch9f4.jpg

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109...h9f4_belly.jpg

    Is she some kind of cinnamon paradox het hypo? Could yb or pastel be in there rather than cinnamon?

    Here is a cinnamon hypo from another clutch for comparison:

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109..._clutch4f1.jpg
  • 09-05-2011, 09:16 PM
    RyanT
    Those Garcias are incredible, Randy, I love 'em! I'd say you have a Chocolate Cinny and Chocolate YB there. And that Hypo Cinny is no slouch either...Incredible. I'm a huge fan. :gj:
  • 09-06-2011, 01:39 AM
    RandyRemington
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
    Thanks Ryan.

    So you think this girl looks like she includes YB rather than cinnamon?

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109...h9f4_belly.jpg

    Thing is her only chance at even being het hypo should be if her dad is the cinnamon het hypo and parts of her look hypo (and parts don't, very paradox like). I need to find a lab that wants to do snake paternity tests to figure this clutch out.

    I do see the edge of her belly looking yb like. But I have this very different looking girl from another clutch that I thought was a chocolate yb.

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109...h1f5_belly.jpg

    Has Mojave Yellow Belly been produced yet? Maybe those two different whitesnake complex genes interact in some unexpected way?
  • 09-06-2011, 10:40 AM
    JMD
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chago11 View Post

    thanks, I saw that one on Kingsnake, but was looking for it without the mojave gene involved
  • 09-06-2011, 10:47 AM
    JMD
    Re: Chocolate X cinnamon?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RandyRemington View Post
    I had thought this one might be a cinnamon mojave but she isn't as nice as other savanna pictures I've seen posted so I'm wondering if she could be the chocolate cinnamon combo.

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109..._clutch9f3.jpg

    Here is a pic showing a little more of her lower side.

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109...h9f3_belly.jpg

    And here is a sister from this clutch (chocolate mojave X chocolate, cinnamon het hypo, pastel yb chocolate?) that I'm really lost on:

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109..._clutch9f4.jpg

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109...h9f4_belly.jpg

    Is she some kind of cinnamon paradox het hypo? Could yb or pastel be in there rather than cinnamon?

    Here is a cinnamon hypo from another clutch for comparison:

    http://snakemorphs.com/images/201109..._clutch4f1.jpg

    Awesome clutch, although I'm lost on what they are
  • 09-06-2011, 10:53 AM
    RyanT
    Oh, wow. Yeah that 2nd one is definitely the Chocolate YB. I think I didn't fully comprehend the lineage you wrote...I don't have any clue what the hell that lighter one is man. Haha
  • 09-06-2011, 01:25 PM
    Simple Man
    Mojave YB has been done. It can be really hard to tell the YB until they get older and color up a bit. They tend to have yellow creeping in through the blushing. There'a post on here where Albey showed off some Super Pastel Mojave Bellies. There's a little info about identifying YB in the Mojave mix but the conclusion was that it was not easy especially with young snakes. Should get easier as they age.

    Regards,

    B
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