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Very Disturbing IMO

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  • 11-18-2010, 04:30 AM
    Coils
    Very Disturbing IMO
    If you want to hear or see something truly disturbing when it comes to humans doing whatever they please watch these videos and then do some research on the rattlesnake round up of Texas. I am shocked and just disgusted with the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkiA4Hhrjuo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDcFm...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFUwA...eature=related

    All for a buck!
  • 11-18-2010, 06:28 AM
    Utta
    I wonder if they have a dog or a cat I can behead,skin and eat :mad::cens0r::angered:
  • 11-18-2010, 07:52 AM
    Fallen
    Re: Very Disturbing IMO
    wow its that really needed or not cause it doesn't look fair :rage:
  • 11-18-2010, 09:56 AM
    Russ Lawson
    Not even going to watch the vids because it'd just make me angry. I've always been disgusted by rattlesnake roundups. Really hate ignorant people...
  • 11-18-2010, 10:15 AM
    Sammy412
    I'm not watching them either. I have been signing petitions against these roundups for years:(
  • 11-18-2010, 12:15 PM
    iCandiBallPythons
    Not defending the round up at all, because I feel most any continuous mass collection disrupts the natural eco with most animals, but has anyone wondered what happens to many of the species of reptiles that are wild collected or farmed and dont make it into the pet trade and are sent to some dank hole in the wall to either be "dinner" or turned into luxury items, that we all support in one way or another.
  • 11-18-2010, 12:21 PM
    wilomn
    Re: Very Disturbing IMO
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons View Post
    Not defending the round up at all, because I feel most any continuous mass collection disrupts the natural eco with most animals, but has anyone wondered what happens to many of the species of reptiles that are wild collected or farmed and dont make it into the pet trade and are sent to some dank hole in the wall to either be "dinner" or turned into luxury items, that we all support in one way or another.

    I have.

    More than once.
  • 11-18-2010, 12:41 PM
    deathfromabove
    what they dont tell you is how many rattle snakes there are in texas in the wild, there are millions and growing, IM NOT DEFENDING IT, but as a hunter i can understand what they are doing cuz if you think about it what natural predators does it really have to keep the population down? eventually the state would just be so over run with rattle snakes, just like how where i live (north jersey) we have become so over run with bears that they have become use to ppl and have resulted in several major attacks cuz ppl start to see them as pets, so now they just started a bear hunt this year. yeah it sucks but there really is just too many of them and atleast they arent just killing them and doing nothing with them (the rattle snakes), but on the other hand im sure the ppl running it dont care about population of the snake and will keep doing it till theres nothing left
  • 11-18-2010, 12:42 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Very Disturbing IMO
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Utta View Post
    I wonder if they have a dog or a cat I can behead,skin and eat :mad::cens0r::angered:

    Yum.
  • 11-18-2010, 12:54 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Very Disturbing IMO
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deathfromabove View Post
    but as a hunter i can understand what they are doing cuz if you think about it what natural predators does it really have to keep the population down?

    The biggest factor of rattlesnake populations is how much prey is available. Well-fed females will readily breed and have much larger clutches, poorly fed animals may just perish.

    I'd happily eat snake.

    However, the entire 'roundup' phenomenon treats the animal inhumanely.

    I eat meat. I kill wild animals and eat them as well.

    However, I don't capture the animals I harvest and, prior to dispatching them, put them on display in terrible living conditions for others to gawk at as I put on a show.

    I have zero issue with hunting snakes. I have zero issue with responsible population management if harvesting some animals will IMPROVE an ecosystem.

    However, the 'rattlesnake roundups' are done for serious profit. Any negative impact on species populations is going to be ignored as long as money is being made.
  • 11-18-2010, 12:54 PM
    Sammy412
    I also hunt, but I do it humanely. That is a big issue for me, and I eat what I shoot. I've seen them pour gasoline in a hole to get a rattlesnake out, I've seen them break the snake's neck and skin it alive.....those things are not humane, thus, that is why I am against the roundups:(
  • 11-18-2010, 01:15 PM
    redstormlax12
    Just another example of humans thinking they should step in to correct mother nature. Does anyone really think we need to intervene? If anything humans are the problem. We are more like a parasite on this planet. The world has been taking care of itself for billions of years, and suddenly we think we need to "help" or "improve" an ecosystem.

    Thousands of species go extinct every day. You would have never seen them even if they thrived. They are microscopic, or just too small to notice in an uninhabited area. Does the ecosystem fall apart because of this? No. Because nature fixes itself.

    The rattlesnake population will peak at a point then have a dramatic drop because of the predator : prey cycle. Humans are constantly encroching on habitats of species across the world. One reason they are more prevelent in areas is because we've taken over where they used to live.

    Another reason the rattlesnakes may be thriving is because of us again. All of our waste creates a huge buffet for scavengers. This causes a boom in the prey available for the rattle snakes causing there population to thrive and dramatically increase.

    We don't need to fix any "problems" within the ecosystems. The sooner people figure that out the sooner the world will be better off.
  • 11-18-2010, 08:27 PM
    Bellabob
    I LIVE in Texas, and I am also disgusted by the peoples ignorant behavior. They torture these animals, handle them rough, waste all of their precious venom (the spill it all over the dirt) and then shop off thier head and roast THOUSANDS of them. Its already showing to have an impact on the populations of these snakes. Every year they say, it gets harder and harder to find rattle snakes. They also use horrible ways to get them out of their burrows. Like fire, and gas. I bet if they took the time to study, watch, and get to know these wonderfully beautiful animals, they wouldn't be so quick to sluaghter thousands of them.

    Bottom line, I don't mind if people kill a few here and there, its not going to decimate the population. But, gathering them by the thousands and having a mass slaughter, and enjoy every second of it, no way.
  • 11-18-2010, 10:01 PM
    Utta
    heres some info from someone who works with HOTS in Texas.

    Quote:

    Any farther than 1 mile is more than likely a death sentence.

    Telemetry studies have shown that most relocated rattlesnakes do not fare well when relocated.
    so even if they get released they will most likely perish.

    info about this.
    Quote:

    We have a chance to do something about a problem that we've complained about
    for years ... IF we communicate our concerns to TPWD.

    Every year, gasoline is sprayed into crevices that shelter wildlife in rock
    outcrops and similar refuges around Texas. This is done in an attempt to
    drive out rattlesnakes for commercial collection. Some of these snakes go
    to rattlesnake roundups, but the commercial trade in rattlesnakes, for
    skins, gall bladders, and meat, is much bigger than the roundups. No one
    really knows how many places are contaminated with gasoline, since
    collectors are often evasive about their use of it. We do know that it is
    used (for example, the Sweetwater Jaycees replied to a letter of mine
    several years ago and said, "A fine mist is pumped into the den. Until a
    substitute can be found, hunters will continue to use this process"). We
    also know that it is quite toxic to various species of wildlife. One study
    confirmed what we would have guessed by use of common sense, by
    experimentally exposing several species of wildlife to gasoline fumes. It
    was harmful to all species and fatal to some. Among the wildlife species
    being gassed in crevices and caves are a number of threatened and vulnerable
    cave or "karst" invertebrates. In addition, burrowing owls, turtles,
    amphibians, lizards, and snakes make use of these refuges and can be
    poisoned by commercial rattlesnake collectors. All of this, so someone can
    make a buck by sending rattlesnake gall bladders to Asia and selling skins
    and rattles to trinket-dealers.

    The Texas Parks & Wildlife Department is now interested in hearing from
    citizens about the issue of spraying gasoline into crevices and burrows.
    Texas may join other states that have outlawed such poisoning of the
    environment. Please write to Dr. Andy Gluesenkamp, at TPWD, and tell him
    that you care about all the species of wildlife (not just the rattlesnakes)
    that are being poisoned by collectors using gasoline, and urge that TPWD
    take action to ban the use of gasoline and other chemicals as a means of
    collecting snakes.

    The address is:
    Andy Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
    Nongame & Rare Species
    Texas Parks & Wildlife Department
    4200 Smith School Road
    Austin, TX 78744

    Remember, the issue they're looking at is NOT whether rattlesnake roundups
    are a good thing. The issue they're interested in is the use of gasoline in
    collecting rattlesnakes. Stay focused and stay polite. Please DO write a
    letter! Do not assume that lots of others will act for you.

    Don't delay! There is a meeting within the next couple of days of a group
    of stakeholders, and then there will probably be an opportunity for the
    public to address the Commissioners in Austin at their November meeting. We
    must not miss this opportunity.

    Please consider visiting the link below and replying to a survey regarding
    the use of gasoline in collecting rattlesnakes in Texas. As you recall,
    this is something that contaminates habitat and poisons various species of
    wildlife that make use of deep crevices, burrows, or caves. We will forward
    results (without identifying any respondents) to Texas Parks & Wildlife
    Department for their consideration, and might help move toward banning this
    practice.

    Please forward this to any friends who may not be on this forum but
    who may want to help.

    http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/6HLY76B

    Here's an opportunity to be heard and make a difference.
    Lets support Dr Gluesenkamp with constructive letters and e-mails and when the time comes...warm bodies at the TP&W Commissioners Meeting!
    hopefully this doesn't get deleted! :O
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