Can you ship reptiles without being fed ex certified?

The title says it all, can live reptiles be shipped fed ex priority overnight without being fed ex certified? Also what are the exact benefits of being fed ex certified? In other words, is it really worth it to become fed ex certified??

Thanks
Greg

You can not ship Fedex without being certified and please, please don't try. You can get in a lot of trouble and it will also put in jeopardy hundreds of hobbiests who are certified. There is a thread on here on how to be certified. It's not difficult. You just have to open an account, get in touch with your representative, do a test package and fill out some paperwork.

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Originally Posted by Powerspythons

The title says it all, can live reptiles be shipped fed ex priority overnight without being fed ex certified?

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No.

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Originally Posted by Powerspythons

Also what are the exact benefits of being fed ex certified?

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So you can ship reptiles.

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Originally Posted by Powerspythons

In other words, is it really worth it to become fed ex certified??

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Do you want to ship reptiles? Then yes. No cheaper option out there at this time... You can go through Ship Your Reptiles and Reptiles Express to ship lizards but you can't ship snakes through them.

Thank you both for your quick and honest replies, I'll be sure to get certified as soon as I start hatching out babies that I'll be selling!

Thanks Again!!

Greg

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Originally Posted by anatess

... You can go through Ship Your Reptiles and Reptiles Express to ship lizards but you can't ship snakes through them.

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Actually, I'm not sure this is true anymore either. From what I've read, both businesses have gotten a cease-and-desist on all selling of shipping labels to third parties. (Apparently, that is a no-no too, in addition to the whole snake controversy.) The whole thing is a big tangled mess though, and there may still be folks buying labels...but I wouldn't count on either of those businesses for long-term shipping solutions at this time.

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Originally Posted by JLC

Actually, I'm not sure this is true anymore either. From what I've read, both businesses have gotten a cease-and-desist on all selling of shipping labels to third parties. (Apparently, that is a no-no too, in addition to the whole snake controversy.) The whole thing is a big tangled mess though, and there may still be folks buying labels...but I wouldn't count on either of those businesses for long-term shipping solutions at this time.

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Ive read the same thing , it has something to do with the reselling of the labels through both companies

Yes you sure can ship reptiles through FedEx without being certified. I'm sure I am going to get yelled at for saying this though...

But, I have done it LOTS of times with no problems at all.

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Originally Posted by txherp

Yes you sure can ship reptiles through FedEx without being certified. I'm sure I am going to get yelled at for saying this though...

But, I have done it LOTS of times with no problems at all.

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That goes against current Lacy Act regulations which is breaking the law. As far as I know this forum does not allow the discussion of any law-breaking acts..

PLEASE. if you are going to ship lizards/geckos/amphibs do it through UPS, those animals are on their approved shipping list.
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/res...d+Live+Animals

If you are going to ship SNAKES: FedEx and Delta Dash are the ONLY legal ways to do it. For FedEx you have to get certified. For Delta Dash i have no idea. I'm sure there is a lot of paperwork and a certification as well.

Please do not jeopardize the only legal way we have to ship snakes.

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Originally Posted by txherp

Yes you sure can ship reptiles through FedEx without being certified. I'm sure I am going to get yelled at for saying this though...

But, I have done it LOTS of times with no problems at all.

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Depending on the type of animal you ship if you don't list the species and number you are shipping on the box at the time of processing then you (again depending on the species) are in violation of the Federal Lacy Act. Which is a Federal offence, they will nail you for smuggling,and about three other things .

Please get certified ASAP..Do things the right way and please stop endangering my hobby by no following the rules..

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Originally Posted by txherp

Yes you sure can ship reptiles through FedEx without being certified. I'm sure I am going to get yelled at for saying this though...

But, I have done it LOTS of times with no problems at all.

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With as easy as it is to get certified, and all the benefits that come with that certification (deeper discounts on your shipping, a representative that will help you should anything happen to your shipment, not having to lie to FedEx and be covert about it), why haven't you gotten certified.

This IS a touchy subject, and reptile keepers are under scrutiny as is. As a responsible keeper - I urge you to get certified - it's so easy to do, it's not even funny. Please don't be one of "those" keepers who make the rest of look bad by taking short cuts and not following the rules. They may not be the "law", but they are rules that we all need to follow, especially when our hobby is currently under attack by law makers.

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Originally Posted by txherp

Yes you sure can ship reptiles through FedEx without being certified. I'm sure I am going to get yelled at for saying this though...

But, I have done it LOTS of times with no problems at all.

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Its lazy people like yourself that are going to cause us all problems in the near future.STOP BEING A LAZY BUM AND GET CERTIFIED!

Easy there Joe..I understand the passion..but no need to start poking like that.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Easy there Joe..I understand the passion..but no need to start poking like that.

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Sorry,but like Robin said its SOOO easy to get certified there is no excuse other then being lazy.Its people like him/her that WILL be the death of our hobby :mad:

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Originally Posted by Powerspythons

The title says it all, can live reptiles be shipped fed ex priority overnight without being fed ex certified? Also what are the exact benefits of being fed ex certified? In other words, is it really worth it to become fed ex certified??

Thanks
Greg

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Greg no you cant ship reptiles thru fedex without being certified.Since you are close to me i will help you get in touch with the correct people and assist you in getting certified if you want.If you want my help pm me your phone number and i will call you and we can get you certified :gj:

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Originally Posted by txherp

Yes you sure can ship reptiles through FedEx without being certified. I'm sure I am going to get yelled at for saying this though...

But, I have done it LOTS of times with no problems at all.

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This is like saying: "Yeah, you can run stop signs, I've done it tons without getting a ticket or into an accident."

As others have said, please stop shipping without being certified. I don't want irresponsible people like you, to ruin it for people like me and others. Get certified. It's free to do and relatively easy. If you have a good rep you could get it done in two weeks.

Same for the OP, just do it. Why risk it for yourself and others, when it takes virtually nothing to get certified.

I tried to get certified years ago but it was not easy when I tried. You had to have a store front or something. I stopped using Fedex once ShipYourReptiles came a long, but they have problems too. I also haven't had to ship anything in a while. I have had stuff shipped to me though and I know not all of them were certified. Yes it is not legal but technically you CAN.

So, what does it take to get certified now a days?

Getting certified is very easy, all it takes is time, just do it and get it over with, seriously.

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Originally Posted by txherp

I tried to get certified years ago but it was not easy when I tried. You had to have a store front or something. I stopped using Fedex once ShipYourReptiles came a long, but they have problems too. I also haven't had to ship anything in a while. I have had stuff shipped to me though and I know not all of them were certified. Yes it is not legal but technically you CAN.

So, what does it take to get certified now a days?

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http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-ship-reptiles....
It's the only stickied thread in this entire sub forum.

The hardest part is simply getting a hold of your FEDEX Rep, and even then it isn't hard it just takes patience and couple of phone calls to actually get them to call you. After that you just get a label from FEDEX and send in a test package, after you pass that then they send you some paperwork to fill out and after they get that and process it they will give you some additional information and you're set.

It's very easy, seriously.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Getting certified is very easy, all it takes is time, just do it and get it over with, seriously.




http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-ship-reptiles....
It's the only stickied thread in this entire sub forum.

The hardest part is simply getting a hold of your FEDEX Rep, and even then it isn't hard it just takes patience and couple of phone calls to actually get them to call you. After that you just get a label from FEDEX and send in a test package, after you pass that then they send you some paperwork to fill out and after they get that and process it they will give you some additional information and you're set.

It's very easy, seriously.

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You no longer have an account Rep its been changed.They now have a team that can handle everything when ever you call them.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

You no longer have an account Rep its been changed.They now have a team that can handle everything when ever you call them.

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When did they change that? Because I literally just did this last month.

thanks

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Originally Posted by AaronP

When did they change that? Because I literally just did this last month.

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Well when i called to get updated info on my account thats what the lady told me.I guess since people were having problems getting in touch with thier reps they changed it.So when ever you need help they can help you on the spot not days later like it used to be :P

I talked to my rep last week..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I talked to my rep last week..

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On his/her direct phone number? What i was saying is when you just call FEDEX directly they help you right then.

Oh.. Cool..

Yea I have my reps direct phone number and extension..I also have her supervisors who use to be my account rep.. both really great ladies..

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Originally Posted by txherp

I tried to get certified years ago but it was not easy when I tried. You had to have a store front or something. I stopped using Fedex once ShipYourReptiles came a long, but they have problems too. I also haven't had to ship anything in a while. I have had stuff shipped to me though and I know not all of them were certified. Yes it is not legal but technically you CAN.

So, what does it take to get certified now a days?

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Yes, technically you have to have a "business" and can only ship "business" to "business". But you can say its a home business and just give them a name, even if you don't have a business or even a name for your hobby.

It could be as simple as "Jenn's Snakes" if your name was Jennifer or whatever.

I will say this, if you get a bad rep, it can be a nightmare. Though if they have changed it maybe its easier. If you still end up doing it the old way with a rep, get a good one.

My first time to get certified was a piece of cake. ~3 weeks from start to finish. Somehow they lost my certification along the way. Long story that I won't repeat. When I got re-certified, I got a horrible rep, who would never return my calls and took at least a week to get any paperwork done. I finally got fed up I called, asked to speak to a manger or boss, and got a new one. What had taken two months with my old rep, I got done in a week with my new one.

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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps

Yes, technically you have to have a "business" and can only ship "business" to "business". But you can say its a home business and just give them a name, even if you don't have a business or even a name for your hobby.

It could be as simple as "Jenn's Snakes" if your name was Jennifer or whatever.

I will say this, if you get a bad rep, it can be a nightmare. Though if they have changed it maybe its easier. If you still end up doing it the old way with a rep, get a good one.

My first time to get certified was a piece of cake. ~3 weeks from start to finish. Somehow they lost my certification along the way. Long story that I won't repeat. When I got re-certified, I got a horrible rep, who would never return my calls and took at least a week to get any paperwork done. I finally got fed up I called, asked to speak to a manger or boss, and got a new one. What had taken two months with my old rep, I got done in a week with my new one.

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We do have a home business, I thought that you had to also have a store front and that is why we never got certified. I will definately give this a try again, I hope I get a good rep...

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Originally Posted by txherp

I will definately give this a try again, I hope I get a good rep...

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See if you can find someone in your general area who is already certified. They can usually hook you up with a good rep because they already know them.

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Originally Posted by Blue Apple Herps

Yes, technically you have to have a "business" and can only ship "business" to "business". But you can say its a home business and just give them a name, even if you don't have a business or even a name for your hobby.

It could be as simple as "Jenn's Snakes" if your name was Jennifer or whatever.

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Wouldn't this violate the terms of service at FedEx? Not trying to call you out, but I just recently got certified with FedEx and would like to know.

From what I have read on other forums, it appears to be a very common loophole that people do with FedEx shipping.

I guess the definition of "Business" according to FedEx is the real question at hand.....


Chris

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Originally Posted by txherp

We do have a home business, I thought that you had to also have a store front and that is why we never got certified. I will definately give this a try again, I hope I get a good rep...

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No store front needed, and it seems they have streamlined the process. Very easy to do as others have said, it just takes a bit of time and perhaps some reminder phone calls. So much easier than trying to find out who has the real UPS waiver this week! :rofl:

Took me about 3 weeks from start to finish, and most of that was waiting on the actual waiver process. I called and left a message for a rep to contact me, sent out my test package the next day - before I even knew who my rep was, and then called her with my test package info once I got it via email (I had heard from her by then). Couple weeks later, waiver was emailed for me to sign, I sent it back, then they emailed me the final copy.

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Originally Posted by Chris Behof

Wouldn't this violate the terms of service at FedEx? Not trying to call you out, but I just recently got certified with FedEx and would like to know.

From what I have read on other forums, it appears to be a very common loophole that people do with FedEx shipping.

I guess the definition of "Business" according to FedEx is the real question at hand.....


Chris

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It is kind of a grey area regarding what a business is. I imagine that the vast majority of people who are fedex certified don't actually have a "real" business but are just hobbyists.

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Originally Posted by txherp

We do have a home business, I thought that you had to also have a store front and that is why we never got certified. I will definately give this a try again, I hope I get a good rep...

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If you do get a terrible rep, call and speak to management, and ask for a new one. More specifically ask for one who has done this process before.

Here's my rep, she may be able to guide you in the right direction:

Renee Qualls


EDIT by JLC: I have edited out the phone number. I would suggest that you send a PM with the phone number to the individual you'd like to give it to. Ms. Qualls might not appreciating suddenly receiving dozens or even a hundred phone calls from random folks curious about the certification process. ;)

Fair enough,I will PM the # to the OP, my bad.

this is great to see all the breeders standing up for there love of reptiles! Good Job guys and Gals!

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Originally Posted by joepythons

You no longer have an account Rep its been changed.They now have a team that can handle everything when ever you call them.

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Joe - I have an account rep - and I was just certified in the last month. I too was using SYR and RE and dragged my feet on getting certified.

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Originally Posted by Chris Behof

Wouldn't this violate the terms of service at FedEx? Not trying to call you out, but I just recently got certified with FedEx and would like to know.

From what I have read on other forums, it appears to be a very common loophole that people do with FedEx shipping.

I guess the definition of "Business" according to FedEx is the real question at hand.....


Chris

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No. As long as you ship your package from a business (like Kinko's/FedEx hub etc) to a business or to a FedEx hub you're fine.

So - in my case, I drop off at my local hub and I'm fine (or just hand it to a FedEx driver if you see one making the rounds).

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Joe - I have an account rep - and I was just certified in the last month. I too was using SYR and RE and dragged my feet on getting certified.

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Hmm well thats what i was told by the account rep team people.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

No. As long as you ship your package from a business (like Kinko's/FedEx hub etc) to a business or to a FedEx hub you're fine.

So - in my case, I drop off at my local hub and I'm fine (or just hand it to a FedEx driver if you see one making the rounds).

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That makes sense.....unfortunately all of my customers want the package sent to their house!

I ship to residences all the time, and get them shipped to me with no problem..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I ship to residences all the time, and get them shipped to me with no problem..

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Same here.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I ship to residences all the time, and get them shipped to me with no problem..

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Well...technically you're not supposed to. From the live animal desk:

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Home business' are considered residential. Live animals can only be delivered to commercial locations.

Angela Raburn

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And Item J on your Waiver of Liability for Reptile and Amphibian Domestic Shipments states:

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Company acknowledges that all shipments tendered to FedEx under this Agreement are for Business to Business only. No residential deliveries are allowed under this Agreement.

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So - you technically can have your certification pulled if they audit your shipments.

I know that people do it all the time, but they're violating their waiver.:(

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Well...technically you're not supposed to. From the live animal desk:



And Item J on your Waiver of Liability for Reptile and Amphibian Domestic Shipments states:



So - you technically can have your certification pulled if they audit your shipments.

I know that people do it all the time, but they're violating their waiver.:(

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Good point!!

Thanks for digging that up Robin....I appreciate it!

I think a lot of people know this but don't really take it too seriously. I just want to do everything right so I don't get my certification revoked.

If FedEx goes, then we are really in trouble!