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red axanthic vs axanthic.
whats the difference?
i have seen lots of pics of both and a few of both in person,
red's seem to have busy patterns and sometimes intense blushings, while axanthics have more normal (or what ever the combo's patterns are) patterns.
is there a difference in how one holds color?
is there actual red?
im still learning about axanthics and actually want a red. but dont know what to look for. any input would be helpful.
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
First, Two different morphs.
Red Axanthics are actually co-dom. Het Red Axanthic is a visual morph, and the red Axanthic is the super form.
Axanthics are recessive. Het is a normal with the gene, but otherwise normal. Axanthic itself is the visual, which is normal pattern, with no color.
Difference? Besides they're completely different things, Het reds and Red axanthics are busy patterned and have an overall reddish hue (even more on the super) and are sometimes black-backed.
Axanthics lack all color pigments (thought they brown as they get older) and if you like black and white and recessive morphs (axanthic spider is win) then it's the way to go.
They're hard to compare though, because again, one is recessive and one is co-dominant.
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs
First, Two different morphs.
Red Axanthics are actually co-dom. Het Red Axanthic is a visual morph, and the red Axanthic is the super form.
Axanthics are recessive. Het is a normal with the gene, but otherwise normal. Axanthic itself is the visual, which is normal pattern, with no color.
Difference? Besides they're completely different things, Het reds and Red axanthics are busy patterned and have an overall reddish hue (even more on the super) and are sometimes black-backed.
Axanthics lack all color pigments (thought they brown as they get older) and if you like black and white and recessive morphs (axanthic spider is win) then it's the way to go.
They're hard to compare though, because again, one is recessive and one is co-dominant.
red's a co-dom? REALLY! well im sold on just that?
and i like busy patterns. but wow, so when people say het.red? its a combo morph like a pastel het. red? its visual? i just now noticed that in a pastel het red pic i have! wow!
not as a say pastel het. axanthic is a non visual but carries...
are there different lines of red's? like there are different lines of say
axanthics, pastels, marlboros? :P
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thanks also for helping me out here! a.v. dude you rock!
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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs
First, Two different morphs.
Red Axanthics are actually co-dom. Het Red Axanthic is a visual morph, and the red Axanthic is the super form.
Axanthics are recessive. Het is a normal with the gene, but otherwise normal. Axanthic itself is the visual, which is normal pattern, with no color.
Difference? Besides they're completely different things, Het reds and Red axanthics are busy patterned and have an overall reddish hue (even more on the super) and are sometimes black-backed.
Axanthics lack all color pigments (thought they brown as they get older) and if you like black and white and recessive morphs (axanthic spider is win) then it's the way to go.
They're hard to compare though, because again, one is recessive and one is co-dominant.
x2 Pretty much....
Het Red and Reds starting getting more and more popular because of way how they influence other morphs. take for example Gargoyle with is het red x black pastel or cinnamon and us just awesome... same her red x pastel or her red x Yb... with regular Axanthics when You combine them to another morphs you basically get gray scale version of that morph.. Red influence pattern and color change in great way
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
Yes, they're codom. If there is a pastel het. red it is visual for both pastel and het. Red. Confusing name, you can blame Corey Woods for that confusion, but that's how it is. ;)
There is only one line, but different sellers I believe. Maybe someone has another from the wild, but if so they're not sharing this news.
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by Aes_Sidhe
x2 Pretty much....
Het Red and Reds starting getting more and more popular because of way how they influence other morphs. take for example Gargoyle with is het red x black pastel or cinnamon and us just awesome... same her red x pastel or her red x Yb... with regular Axanthics when You combine them to another morphs you basically get gray scale version of that morph.. Red influence pattern and color change in great way
i aggree! i started getting into the red's because i saw one, which now i know was a super, for 600 and wanted to shoot myself for not buying it asap!
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs
Yes, they're codom. If there is a pastel het. red it is visual for both pastel and het. Red. Confusing name, you can blame Corey Woods for that confusion, but that's how it is. ;)
There is only one line, but different sellers I believe. Maybe someone has another from the wild, but if so they're not sharing this news.
awesome! yeah thats why i thought it was a recessive, because everyone says het. red. but i had seen alot of pics of the so called "het. red" and they all had odd-er than normal patterns and threw me off. i had thought it was like a marker and thats how they knew they were het.
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Here You have pictures showing You a difference...
Axhantic VPI
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...e/P7119M-2.jpg
Her Red
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...anthic/002.jpg
Adult red next to young het red
http://www.nextworldexotics.com/images/hghetred.jpg
Source World of Ball Pythons morph list and Google.....
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by Aes_Sidhe
yeah i deffinately love the reds! more so than axanthics.
thanks guys! any pics of combo reds?
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READ THIS: http://heathersherpsblog.blogspot.co...nthics-eh.html
I touched on it, and there are photos of babies next to each other for you to compare.
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by LadyOhh
aw heather! always so helpful! damn it if i wish i would have baught the one you had at the expo! i didnt know they were co-dom! blasts!
OMG you still have that pstel red on your site!!! im gonna faint! i want him! email me! shroomboy413@yahoo.com!!
im probably gonna get in trouble if i do but... we'll see!
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs
Yes, they're codom. If there is a pastel het. red it is visual for both pastel and het. Red. Confusing name, you can blame Corey Woods for that confusion, but that's how it is. ;)
There is only one line, but different sellers I believe. Maybe someone has another from the wild, but if so they're not sharing this news.
I believe That Outback Reptiles have add on Kingsnake about African Import Male Het Red... let me check....
Yep here is link...
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=819870
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by sookieball
red's a co-dom? REALLY! well im sold on just that?
and i like busy patterns. but wow, so when people say het.red? its a combo morph like a pastel het. red? its visual? i just now noticed that in a pastel het red pic i have! wow!
not as a say pastel het. axanthic is a non visual but carries...
are there different lines of red's? like there are different lines of say
axanthics, pastels, marlboros? :P
Het reds, Lace black backs and green pastels are all the same morph
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
here is a super pastel het red locked up with a pastel het red
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/...42010056-1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/...T242010034.jpg
not the best pic's but did not want to bug them to much
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
Best part is that they barely cost anything.
Breeders often sell them as normals because no one wants them.
-Steven
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by stevenkeogh
Best part is that they barely cost anything.
Breeders often sell them as normals because no one wants them.
-Steven
O Really tell me where and I'll buy few...:weirdface: last time I'll check het reds are prices like pastels and Reds are priced like supper pastels.
Will be great buy adult het red female for a price of normal... but that I'm afraid is impossible...
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by BHR2010
ok im sold.... im buying a gorgeous male pastel het. red from a very well known and trusted herp lover!
these 2 pics sell me! wish me luck!
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by chago11
Het reds, Lace black backs and green pastels are all the same morph
NO. I recently saw a post of a Het red X Lace black back cross and they weren't compatible. I originally thought the same thing until I seen the cross. There is something different going on with the genes.
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by Auletto
NO. I recently saw a post of a Het red X Lace black back cross and they weren't compatible. I originally thought the same thing until I seen the cross. There is something different going on with the genes.
do tell? links please!:D
i wanna see!
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
i absolutely love red axanthics they are amazing idk why i like them so much but i cant wait to get one one day
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the price is a lot higher in canada for most ball pythons my super pastel het red was worth 2k a few years ago
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by BHR2010
dude! i was just looking at these exact posts on kingsnake not 2 hrs ago!
thanks though!
yeah im def. head over heals for the red's!
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
Love the Red Axanthic gene. Hoping to breed our pair this year, Male is a pastel het red axanthic het orange ghost, female is het red possible het orange ghost. Should be an interesting year :)
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In Canada last year hatchling het reds were about 200-250. Haven't really seen any this year for sale though.
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by Jeremy78
In Canada last year hatchling het reds were about 200-250. Haven't really seen any this year for sale though.
Yeah, I haven't seen too many since Corey Woods started to work more on the champagne crosses. But they're out there if you look.
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Re: red axanthic vs axanthic.
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Originally Posted by sookieball
do tell? links please!:D
i wanna see!
It was a few months back when I seen the pictures. I believe they were posted on KS.
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