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  • 11-12-2010, 03:57 PM
    DmD
    Some suggestions please! Urgent
    Hello Everyone,


    Hope you have all had a good week, onto the topic. I purchased a male pastel, two weeks ago and the breeder said that he was feeding perfectly and I believe him. As he is quite plump, two weeks and counting now he is very aggressive any time he sees a heat source moving he strikes.


    1. He was born late February
    2. The cage I have him in is a 5cm bigger than what the breeder had him in
    3. Temperature is correct
    4. Humidity is a bit low
    5. The cage has a hide, and a large water bowl
    6. Cage is immaculately clean
    7. Breeder was feeding him on live mice, have not yet tried to convert

    His cage is on top of my females cage, and she has no problem feeding

    Any ideas, why he does not want to eat or his aggression?

    Should I put him in a smaller cage?
    Should I decrease the size of his food?


    Please help me, I really want to get him eating again:please:
  • 11-12-2010, 04:04 PM
    5GsReptiles
    Yes I would go with a smaller cage...Probably 2 hides one on the heat side and one on the cool side... Ball Pythons get scared easily so maybe you should atlease cover the front for now.... How long has it been since he hasent eaten?
  • 11-12-2010, 04:06 PM
    MitsuMike
    Questions:

    How big is the snake? (gram wise)
    Dimensions of cage?
    What is the problem? Aggression? You mention not eating in a question, I am assuming he has been off feed for 2 weeks.

    After this it will be easy to fix.
  • 11-12-2010, 04:06 PM
    iCandiBallPythons
    Can you post a pic of your setup plz?
  • 11-13-2010, 03:40 AM
    DmD
    Re: Some suggestions please! Urgent
    Questions:

    How big is the snake? (gram wise)
    Dimensions of cage?
    What is the problem? Aggression? You mention not eating in a question, I am assuming he has been off feed for 2 weeks.

    After this it will be easy to fix.
    He is 120 grams
    The dimensions of the cage are 460 x 300 x 170 mm
    The problem is he strikes at any heat source? And when I offer him food he strikes it but does not coil around it?

    Should I put him in a 360 x 210 x 160 mm
  • 11-13-2010, 03:49 AM
    Shadera
    Re: Some suggestions please! Urgent
    What kind of substrate do you have him on? What kind did the breeder have him on?

    Also, what sort of container is he in? Is it clear, or opaque? Is he in a high-traffic area of your home?

    After each change, wait a week before offering prey again. Don't want to inadvertently add more stress.
  • 11-13-2010, 07:24 AM
    DmD
    Thanks Shadera,


    He is in a clean exo terra cage, I keep him on paper towls like the breeder. The cage is in my room, and maybe the cat has been annoying him? I will put a black towel over the aquarium today, thanks so far!
  • 11-13-2010, 09:50 AM
    MitsuMike
    Ok he is stressed and nervous hints the needless striking.

    Switch to a 6 qt tub
    Papertowels as a substrate
    1 hide on the hot side and a water on the cool
    Make sure temps are 90-92 hot and 78-82 cool
    Let the little guy chill (no handling no nothing just leave him alone) for 5 days and offer an 18 or so gram mouse (small adult)
    After that you should be all good
  • 11-13-2010, 10:58 AM
    ed4281
    Re: Some suggestions please! Urgent
    If switching to a smaller enclosure is not an option for you, I would clutter up the cage with fake plants, crumpled paper towel etc. It seems that the more cover they have when moving about the better. Also add more hides.

    Wait a week with no handeling attempts and then try feeding if he still dosen't eat repeat.
  • 11-13-2010, 11:11 AM
    JLC
    Re: Some suggestions please! Urgent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ed4281 View Post
    If switching to a smaller enclosure is not an option for you, I would clutter up the cage with fake plants, crumpled paper towel etc. It seems that the more cover they have when moving about the better. Also add more hides.

    Wait a week with no handeling attempts and then try feeding if he still dosen't eat repeat.

    I agree...crumpled up newspaper works great! Just fill the enclosure with loosely crumpled paper. And leave the paper in there when you feed. The snake won't have any trouble finding its way to the prey. (although this could prove challenging if a live prey item goes uneaten! LOL best with p/k or f/t)

    And to reiterate...after adding paper like this, wait a full week before offering anything to eat. After a couple of successful feedings, you can start gradually removing the balls of paper, a few each week, until the snake doesn't need them anymore.
  • 11-13-2010, 12:45 PM
    DmD
    Thanks everyone! :)
  • 11-19-2010, 08:08 AM
    DmD
    Just and update:

    I put him in a smaller cage, added plants etc....

    But he still won't eat, and still strikes at me this was today. I left him completed alone, the whole week, and when I tried to feed him he strikes? :confused::confused::confused::confused: :(:mad::tears:


    Any suggestions
  • 11-19-2010, 09:50 AM
    FatBoy
    Re: Some suggestions please! Urgent
    This sounds like typical stress related behavior. Chances are very good that the breeder had him in a plastic tub in a rack system. I am assuming your tank is glass. He feels like he is in the middle of the desert and everything is out to get him. He sees you as a threat, he is stressed, and as long as he is stressed he will not eat. He needs to be moved to a 6qt plastic tub. Ball up newspaper and fill the tub. He needs to look like there is no way he could crawl around in the tub, completly filled with balled up paper. Keep him in a very low traffic area that is also kinda dark. Leave him another week then offer a live mouse. Feed him in the 6qt tub, paper still in place. Place the mouse in there and leave him alone, check on him in about 30 minutes.
  • 11-19-2010, 11:28 AM
    DmD
    Thanks :)
  • 12-08-2010, 09:49 AM
    DmD
    Another update, tried everything as suggested and still no success???


    Should I buy another, hiding spot for him? Should I try to build a mini rack, like the one he was in at the breeder?


    Please I really need your knowledge :oops:
  • 12-08-2010, 10:30 AM
    MitsuMike
    Ok so right now he is in a 6 qt with 1 hide and a water bowl, correct?
    Are temps good? 90ish hot and 80ish cool
    Try cover 3 sides (outside) with duct tape. Leaving the small front with the water bowl only exposed. Place the tub in a closet and keep the door shut (add a light for some "day light if wanted). This should help keep traffic down, more secure tub and hopefully all this together will help him to eat.
    Also what food are you offering? I would try and live hopper (if on mice) or a fuzzy rat (if on rats). These two types of prey can't really bite the snake (still weaning off mother) at that age and are small for the snake to feel MUCH bigger than them so maybe eating will happen. Both prey will be LIVE and leave the tub. If you feel comfortable with leaving the prey in there (should be fine with no risk of bites) then check every hour. If your paranoid, then crack open a book or surf the web and wait til you hear a yell from the prey and/or a hit from the snake.

    Also post up some pics of the setup.
  • 12-08-2010, 10:36 AM
    MitsuMike
    I had his saved from doing my searching way back when, hope this helps!

    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5006/...19b2438cef.jpg
    SSPX0192 by Mitsumike, on Flickr
  • 12-09-2010, 11:08 AM
    MitsuMike
    Any updates? Did he eat?
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