Agouti Blue Rats

This is a project I've worked on for 6 months or so starting with a female agouti that I bred to my big Himalayan male producing 2 beautiful agouti females that carry blue.
My Himalayan boy is from a blue male to a blue female, all of his babies are het blues and when I breed him to a blue it averages 50% Himalayans and 50% Blues.

So I raised up 2 agouti het blue girls
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT8718.jpg
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And bred them to this blue hooded boy
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT8704.jpg

And got 2 litters of 11 kits with 2.3 agouti blue babies, the pay off!
There will be 2 female agouti blues held back and the lightning blazed blue female also since I have no blazed females ATM.
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT8720.jpg
Both girls threw 4 colors consisting of agouti, agouti blue, Himalayan and blue.
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A blue surrounded by agouti blues
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Agouti, Blue and two agouti blues
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Agouti Blue Berkshire Male
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A project that produced 3 beautiful future breeders 2 of which will make many more agouti blues in the future, Thanks for looking :)

I think a lot of your genetic calculations up there are incorrect, but you did end up with some lovely agouti blue rats. I'm so used to mice, that it's very interesting to see an agouti blue rat.

http://www.hiiret.fi/pics/hyacint1.jpg

Did one of your agouti rats carry himilayan? Were they siblings or related? Because to me, although I might just be confused by your explanation, it almost sounds like your 'himilayan' might be a blue point Siamese?

Congrats!!! I'm glad you got what you were looking for, they are cute!

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

I think a lot of your genetic calculations up there are incorrect, but you did end up with some lovely agouti blue rats. I'm so used to mice, that it's very interesting to see an agouti blue rat.

http://www.hiiret.fi/pics/hyacint1.jpg

Did one of your agouti rats carry himilayan? Were they siblings or related? Because to me, although I might just be confused by your explanation, it almost sounds like your 'himilayan' might be a blue point Siamese?

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Nope, not blue at all...
Here's the male Himalayan I bred to the original agouti.
He comes from an American blue to American blue breeding.
Flash makes him look Siamese a little, he's not white at all but more creamy Ivory colored.
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/a...14911Small.jpg

He's reeeeeally dark for a Himilayan. I think that he might be Siamese. But deffinately not a blue Siamese, thanks for the photo. :)

A himilayan would be more white, and less cream/off-white colour.

You know I think your right, which kind of pisses me off, lmao.

The breeder my friend got our founding stock from had Himalayan written in on their genetics page but no Siamese. I even called her on it to see if it was a mistake and she said no, your rats make Himalayan. :rolleyes:
Now that I look some more they look exactly like Seal point Siamese.

It doesn't change anything about my project except by name, the agouti blue color is beautiful and only gets prettier as they age IMO

Thanks for pointing that out :gj:

Makes me a little sad cause it looks JUST like my siamese (pet) that I had to feed off because she got real sick.


Congrats on your blue's though, they're awesome!

Siamese to me.

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Originally Posted by sarahlovesmiike

Makes me a little sad cause it looks JUST like my siamese (pet) that I had to feed off because she got real sick.


Congrats on your blue's though, they're awesome!

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WoW I understand that one, I've had to feed a few prized pets because of myco :(

Thanks, the agouti blue project has been successful, now to make some more the easier way, with a blue male to agouti blue female :)

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Siamese to me.

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Yeah I agree, I just assumed the breeder knew what she was talking about :rolleyes:

You know what they say about that word :P

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

WoW I understand that one, I've had to feed a few prized pets because of myco :(

Thanks, the agouti blue project has been successful, now to make some more the easier way, with a blue male to agouti blue female :)

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That has to be the only downfall to breeding your own rats. I always had pet rats as a kid and it's easy for me to become attached to them. I bought her as a feeder but she was clearly pregnant so I kept her and she was such a good mom and super sweet so I just had to keep her. It was a win win anyway because my older breeder had a heat stroke and lost her eyesight so she is now retired (which is sad because she still tries to nurse the babies LOL).


And what is myco? I've heard of it before, just never looked into it. Maybe that's what happened with Little Momma... She suddenly lost a lot of weight and was sneezing a lot. She was covered in porphyrin.. It was pretty bad so I fed her off after a week of seeing no improvement.

She had myco probably.
It progresses to the point they gasp for air, very sad.
Starts with sneezing, progresses to red noses and eyes and on into bronchial issues and certain death.
Rats that are treated for it and recover are also more prone to getting it again.

For me the highs of breeding and making certain traits come out by far out-weighs the hassles of buying food for the snakes, especially when the snake count is up around 20 snakes :P

Siamese and Himilayan are virtually the same thing. Siamese is just homozygous Himilayan. :D

So don't be too upset! Hah! :P

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

Siamese and Himilayan are virtually the same thing. Siamese is just homozygous Himilayan. :D

So don't be too upset! Hah! :P

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As long as I make these beautiful rats I'm good, nobody said rats had to be ugly :P

Question, I can't seem to find the answer to: "Can agouti combo up with Himi or Siamese"?

I made numerous Siamese in my agouti breedings and no combo, does the diluting cover it up, or is it just not possible?

Yes! They can pair up. :)

This message brought to you from a breeder who knows his stuff when it comes to siamese genetics:

"Yes, but it's washed out. A siamese who is A/* is a pale beige. Sometimes it's all over, and you can see light ticking. But if it's a poor example, you wont see the ticking because it wont be dark enough, you'll just see lighter than normal points"

If you want to darken a siamese, breed them with blacks. ;)

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

Yes! They can pair up. :)

This message brought to you from a breeder who knows his stuff when it comes to siamese genetics:

"Yes, but it's washed out. A siamese who is A/* is a pale beige. Sometimes it's all over, and you can see light ticking. But if it's a poor example, you wont see the ticking because it wont be dark enough, you'll just see lighter than normal points"

If you want to darken a siamese, breed them with blacks. ;)

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Kewl!
I'll have to check the Siamese closer to see if any are agouti also or if I can even tell.
I've been told that blacks make the best/darkest siamese/himalayans, I do this breeding quite often and it is true, my blacks def throw the darkest babies.

Very helpful thank you!

Yeah. Just pluck a few hairs, and if you have a magnifying glass, you can look for ticking on the individual hairs. Sometimes it's hard to see because the colours are so darn similar on some shades of ticked fur.

Here's a photo with some crummy lighting, that lets you see the ticking on this poined mouse. It doesn't really show at all without the weird light, but here you can see it pretty easy on the body.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...ce/mice002.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

Here's a photo with some crummy lighting, that lets you see the ticking on this poined mouse. It doesn't really show at all without the weird light, but here you can see it pretty easy on the body.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...ce/mice002.jpg

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This mouse looks oddly familiar. ;)

Those agouti blues are so cute! I never knew there was such a thing. Makes me want to breed rats again.

Haha, I hope you don't mind me using your photo. :P
It just shows the ticking on a pointed mouse so well. :)

Not at all. :D