What makes a bumblebee?

I've done SO much reading and research and we've been trying to decide where we want to go with our breeding, but we've hit a speed bump. We really like the bees, and we really like the all white bps (doesnt matter between the lucy's or ivory's or any other). Now I THINK you get a bee from a pastel and a spider? Im not 100% sure on this though, so any clearification would be appreciated. My other question is, is there a way to keep my snake count low and produce bees and whites out of some of the same snakes?

Bumblebee = Pastel x spider so you were correct.

You can get a mojo spider male and a mojo female and a female pastel. That would be 3 snakes. You could get: spiders, mojo spiders, bel's, bumblebees, pastels, pastaves, normals from those 3.

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Originally Posted by Boanerges

Bumblebee = Pastel x spider so you were correct.

You can get a mojo spider male and a mojo female and a female pastel. That would be 3 snakes. You could get: spiders, mojo spiders, bel's, bumblebees, pastels, pastaves, normals from those 3.

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Mojo stands for mojave, right? And what are bel's and pastaves? I've gotten most of the basic morphs down, but there are just TOO MANY to memorize haha :)

Yes to get bees you need a pastel and a spider.

To get a white snake you need either two lessers, butters, mojave, yellowbelly, russo's, or fires. With the fires the snake is not entirly white it sometimes has some yellow on it. With the lesser and butter they are pretty much the same and make the whitest snake out of all of them. You can interchange the butter, lesser mojave and het russo's to make the blue eyed lucy. Then you have your black eyed lucys which are made with the yellowbellies and fires. So all in all you need to get four snakes to make what you want unless you get a lesser/butter pastel and a lesser/butter spider, then you only need two snakes.

If i was trying to make a white snake i would use lessers or butters they make the cleanest white snake.

Hope this helps

oh ok, Pastave = Pastel Mojave. Got it

Instead of the mojave I'd go with a lesser. With the lesser you would get lesserbees and also a cleaner version of the BEL.

This will help you understand what makes what http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

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Originally Posted by Courtney281

Mojo stands for mojave, right? And what are bel's and pastaves? I've gotten most of the basic morphs down, but there are just TOO MANY to memorize haha :)

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Yes, mojo is a Mojave. Bel means Blue Eyed Lucy. A pastave is a mojave pastel. Sorry about not explaining better :oops:

Here is a break down of percentages of what the odds are of what you would get with the 3 I said:

MALE: Mojave Spider
FEMALE: Mojave
12.5%: Normal
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Super Mojave
12.5%: Spider
12.5%: Spider, Mojave
12.5%: Mojave, Spider
12.5%: Super Mojave, Spider

MALE: Mojave Spider
FEMALE: Pastel
12.5%: Normal
12.5%: Pastel
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Mojave, Pastel
12.5%: Spider
12.5%: Spider, Pastel
12.5%: Mojave, Spider
12.5%: Mojave, Spider, Pastel

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Originally Posted by Boanerges

Yes, mojo is a Mojave. Bel means Blue Eyed Lucy. A pastave is a mojave pastel. Sorry about not explaining better :oops:

Here is a break down of percentages of what the odds are of what you would get with the 3 I said:

MALE: Mojave Spider
FEMALE: Mojave
12.5%: Normal
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Super Mojave
12.5%: Spider
12.5%: Spider, Mojave
12.5%: Mojave, Spider
12.5%: Super Mojave, Spider

MALE: Mojave Spider
FEMALE: Pastel
12.5%: Normal
12.5%: Pastel
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Mojave, Pastel
12.5%: Spider
12.5%: Spider, Pastel
12.5%: Mojave, Spider
12.5%: Mojave, Spider, Pastel

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Where do the Lucy's fall into that? Cause those are actually my favorite white bp :D

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Originally Posted by Courtney281

Where do the Lucy's fall into that? Cause those are actually my favorite white bp :D

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MALE: Mojave Spider
FEMALE: Mojave
12.5%: Normal
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Super Mojave
12.5%: Spider
12.5%: Spider, Mojave
12.5%: Mojave, Spider
12.5%: Super Mojave, Spider

Super Mojave is the Bel. The snake in my sig is a super mojave. They have the grayish heads. You have a shot at a super mojave spider too but in all honesty I have no idea what that even looks like :oops:

If you just did Mojave x Mojave your odds are better to get a super mojo:
MALE: Mojave
FEMALE: Mojave
25%: Normal
25%: Mojave
25%: Mojave
25%: Super Mojave

If you did a lesser or butter x mojo the lesser or butter will clean up the super form if you don't like the grey head. lesser x lesser or Butter x Butter will also give you the all white snake with no grey head.

And your odds on getting a bumblebee from a spider x pastel:
MALE: Spider
FEMALE: Pastel
25%: Normal
25%: Pastel
25%: Spider
25%: Spider, Pastel

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Originally Posted by Boanerges

MALE: Mojave Spider
FEMALE: Mojave
12.5%: Normal
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Mojave
12.5%: Super Mojave
12.5%: Spider
12.5%: Spider, Mojave
12.5%: Mojave, Spider
12.5%: Super Mojave, Spider

Super Mojave is the Bel. The snake in my sig is a super mojave. They have the grayish heads. You have a shot at a super mojave spider too but in all honesty I have no idea what that even looks like :oops:

If you just did Mojave x Mojave your odds are better to get a super mojo:
MALE: Mojave
FEMALE: Mojave
25%: Normal
25%: Mojave
25%: Mojave
25%: Super Mojave

If you did a lesser or butter x mojo the lesser or butter will clean up the super form if you don't like the grey head. lesser x lesser or Butter x Butter will also give you the all white snake with no grey head.

And your odds on getting a bumblebee from a spider x pastel:
MALE: Spider
FEMALE: Pastel
25%: Normal
25%: Pastel
25%: Spider
25%: Spider, Pastel

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Gotcha. Thanks so much for all your help. I think we finally have a starting point to work with here. I think we'll probably go with mojave's as they tend to be less expensive then the butters and lesser. Honostly I like the greyish silvery heads of the lucy's. Gives them a little character. I'll let you know what we get in the next couple of weeks. We have our Reptile Convention coming up in a week and Im hoping to pick up a couple things there :D

if you got a pastave and a lesserbee you could make many combos with just these 2 snakes. ones you asked about and more.

so how would you make a Killerbee?
would you breed the Bumblebee to a pastel jungle?

And what happens when you breed 2 blue eyed lucy's together? Do you get more?

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Originally Posted by Courtney281

And what happens when you breed 2 blue eyed lucy's together? Do you get more?

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If you bred two blue eyed lucys together you would get all blue eyed lucys.