Mites !!!!! NOOOOooooo

I know everyone has a method and a plan of attack please tell me the secret to this travesty attack on my yellow-belly ball python female???

Thanks Kindly, :please:

lance

I dunk mine a some water and while they are hanging out in their bath I sterilize their habitat, put some new substrate in and spray it down with Prevent-A-Mite

a 30 minute soak in tepid water with a few drops of dawn detergent, clean tub & spray with PAM

You can't go wrong with Provent-A-Mite (PAM)...:gj:

You can order it here... http://www.pro-products.com/

thanks all I did a complete change of cage bleached the old one soaked her in cage warm water for a few hours then rinsed her off and slightly sprayed her body with the mite spray from natural habitat.

fingers crossed

lance

I did the soaking & PAM treatment for my entire collection (29 snakes) last weekend, and so far the mites appear to be gone. That stuff does work!! :gj: The Natural Habitat spray will work temporarily, but it doesn't kill the eggs... so eventually you're back to square one. I'd recommend ordering a can of PAM (link above) asap, and using it within the next week or two - mites have a life cycle of around 30 days, so you wanna kill those eggs NOW.

Yeah there is a big difference between the Natural Habitat stuff and PAM, you need PAM to kill the egg if any are hidden. Miss one and you are back to square one. Highly recommend getting some PAM.

hmmm the only thing I have ever found that works is a no pest strip from lowes i cut it depending on size of tank place on screen for an hour a day for at least 10 day eggs hatch I think that often but a good soak prior put them one news paper and pest strip on scree.....cant have arachnids or insects anywhere is the house they will die from it

Another high recommendation for Provent-A-Mite. I won't trust anything else with my collection.

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Another high recommendation for Provent-A-Mite. I won't trust anything else with my collection.

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hmmm I have never had luck with prevent a mite or any other spray products as far as the no pest strip we used it at the reptile ranch with over 500 snakes lizards etc never had an issue and I never have sudden omg theyre backs.....ugh last night was the first time I have seen mites in well years gone withing the hour and no chemicals or soaps or oils needed on my babies

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hmmm I have never had luck with prevent a mite

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So you used PAM and it didn't work?

No pest strips do diddly over squat for eggs...........

herpo.com prper use of no pest stripl
too much PAM
all natural way to get rid of em
how to use PAM

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So you used PAM and it didn't work?

No pest strips do diddly over squat for eggs...........

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nothing actually kills the eggs it's just like flea eggs theyre gonna hatch every ten days they are made to survive how ever just a wee crack to come into the world and dead:)

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Originally Posted by lance

I know everyone has a method and a plan of attack please tell me the secret to this travesty attack on my yellow-belly ball python female???

Thanks Kindly, :please:

lance

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No joke, olive oil will drown mites .Coat snake in a container with olive oil, leave for an hour,then rinse off with warm water.

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nothing actually kills the eggs it's just like flea eggs theyre gonna hatch every ten days they are made to survive how ever just a wee crack to come into the world and dead:)

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Re-read my quote. No one made the claim PAM kills eggs, but it does provide long term residual protection.

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Re-read my quote. No one made the claim PAM kills eggs, but it does provide long term residual protection.

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i was refering to you saying that the no pest did diddly for the eggs merely pointing out that nothing really does....there was no intentional offensiveness meant

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Originally Posted by JEWSKIN

herpo.com prper use of no pest stripl
too much PAM
all natural way to get rid of em
how to use PAM

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So that video of the ball python is yours? You specifically made the claim that you did not have good luck with PAM. I am interested to know the details of that claim.

You are aware that you are posting on a forum where people new to the hobby often grab onto little nuggets of advice and run with them- right? With that in mind, and also keeping in mind that PAM is much safer and much more effective than no-pest strips, do you feel comfortable recommending these strips over safer, easier to use methods?

Young animals are often adversely affected by no-pest strips even when the are used in a manner which does not affect adult animals. Added to that, there are several species of snakes that have been shown to have heightened sensitivity to these strips. It's way to easy to use these strips incorrectly and harm your animals.

From VPI:

"There are two problems in using pest strips. One is that cholinesterase is an important component of the vertebrate nervous system, as well as invertebrates. In high concentrations, Vapona fumes can cause anorexia, loss of coordination and death in snakes. Some snakes are very sensitive to Vapona fumes, notably white-lipped pythons, ringed pythons, and some Asian ratsnakes. So the trick is to use a big enough piece of the bar to create a high enough concentration of the fumes to get the mites, but not too much for the snakes or the keepers. "

As for predatory mites - I've used them. They are effective, but take longer to control an outbreak and are not as effective as PAM.

Let me repeat - I have used PAM and predatory mites. I still use PAM and do not use hypoaspis. Hypoaspis do not control outbreaks in large collections as effectively as PAM. Hypoaspis can not be used prophylactically like PAM.

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i was refering to you saying that the no pest did diddly for the eggs merely pointing out that nothing really does....there was no intentional offensiveness meant

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No pest strips do diddly for eggs. they contain DDVP - http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...id=slow-acting

PAM provides residual protection - protecting your snakes against eggs that were laid before the substrate and/or enclosure was treated.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

So that video of the ball python is yours? You specifically made the claim that you did not have good luck with PAM. I am interested to know the details of that claim.

You are aware that you are posting on a forum where people new to the hobby often grab onto little nuggets of advice and run with them- right? With that in mind, and also keeping in mind that PAM is much safer and much more effective than no-pest strips, do you feel comfortable recommending these strips over safer, easier to use methods?

Young animals are often adversely affected by no-pest strips even when the are used in a manner which does not affect adult animals. Added to that, there are several species of snakes that have been shown to have heightened sensitivity to these strips. It's way to easy to use these strips incorrectly and harm your animals.

From VPI:

"There are two problems in using pest strips. One is that cholinesterase is an important component of the vertebrate nervous system, as well as invertebrates. In high concentrations, Vapona fumes can cause anorexia, loss of coordination and death in snakes. Some snakes are very sensitive to Vapona fumes, notably white-lipped pythons, ringed pythons, and some Asian ratsnakes. So the trick is to use a big enough piece of the bar to create a high enough concentration of the fumes to get the mites, but not too much for the snakes or the keepers. "

As for predatory mites - I've used them. They are effective, but take longer to control an outbreak and are not as effective as PAM.

Let me repeat - I have used PAM and predatory mites. I still use PAM and do not use hypoaspis. Hypoaspis do not control outbreaks in large collections as effectively as PAM. Hypoaspis can not be used prophylactically like PAM.

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1. no vid I found and tried to find one on misuse of pest strip as well.....still searching
2. also not there are vids for three methods of getting rid of them
3. yes I am quite aware that people take tid bits and run with them alot of people whether they be new to the hobby or seasoned vets (human nature)
4. Yes, I had a more than one failed experience with PAM that's my experience never had any snake(s) get sick from the no pest strips
5.Vapona....not an ingredient in the hotshot no pest strips as they are for use indoors I do believe strips containing vapona were discontinued.....
6. Yes I would recommend using the no pest strips properly as well I have used them since I got into the herp field since prevent a mite wasn't available when I got started not to mention I am not thrilled with the thought of spraying chemicals on MY snakes. to each their own I know what works for me I know how to use it properly and I am always open to new ideas so the relentless attack when someone merely asks for advice whos obviously doing research as well is well uncalled for especially sine two other ways were also listed

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No pest strips do diddly for eggs. they contain DDVP - http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...id=slow-acting

PAM provides residual protection - protecting your snakes against eggs that were laid before the substrate and/or enclosure was treated.

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and any chemical bad enough the residue left behind yeah not so happy about that one not to mention down the drain in to the water supply yummy since most water treatment plants well reuse water as they found out in CA doing water tests those pills you flush well you get ur small doses right back and this chemical though synthetic has probables on the same things well minus one but basically just as dangerous if misused just as ANYTHING with chemicals is

active ingredient in provent a mite

To the OP ---- I'm not gonna advise against Provent-A-Mite or bash it in anyway....but please be careful in using it and follow all directions carefully. I learned the hard way.

Here's the link to my bad experience... http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...em-PLEASE-HELP!

Good luck.

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and any chemical bad enough the residue left behind yeah not so happy about that one not to mention down the drain in to the water supply yummy since most water treatment plants well reuse water as they found out in CA doing water tests those pills you flush well you get ur small doses right back and this chemical though synthetic has probables on the same things well minus one but basically just as dangerous if misused just as ANYTHING with chemicals is

active ingredient in provent a mite

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You can't seriously be comparing the toxicity of permethrin and DDVP.........are you?

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You can't seriously be comparing the toxicity of permethrin and DDVP.........are you?

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my god r u really going to continue to attack me yes i went onto THE SITE THAT TELLS YOU DIRTY LITTLE DETAILS ABOUT EVERY CHEMICAL PRODUCT ITS CALLED RESEARCH

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...DIST_NR=073617

:rofl:

I think everyone needs to take a chill pill...

Take a breath....

in....

out....

mmmmm better now? lol

Note* even people who have been in the field run with tid bits

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1. no vid I found and tried to find one on misuse of pest strip as well.....still searching
2. also not there are vids for three methods of getting rid of them
3. yes I am quite aware that people take tid bits and run with them alot of people whether they be new to the hobby or seasoned vets (human nature)
4. Yes, I had a more than one failed experience with PAM that's my experience never had any snake(s) get sick from the no pest strips
5.Vapona....not an ingredient in the hotshot no pest strips as they are for use indoors I do believe strips containing vapona were discontinued.....
6. Yes I would recommend using the no pest strips properly as well I have used them since I got into the herp field since prevent a mite wasn't available when I got started not to mention I am not thrilled with the thought of spraying chemicals on MY snakes. to each their own I know what works for me I know how to use it properly and I am always open to new ideas so the relentless attack when someone merely asks for advice whos obviously doing research as well is well uncalled for especially sine two other ways were also listed

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Vapona = Dichlorvos = DVDP which is still the active ingredient in Hot Shot pest strips.

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp88409_33...pest_strip.htm

These strips have been "recommended" for years. There are no accepted safe guidelines for using them around reptiles - as a matter of fact, there are more horror stories about their effects on young snakes and specific species than you will find with PAM, Black Knight, RID, Ivermectin, etc. combined.

I personally used these strips several times before PAM and other permethrin based alternatives were on the market and had numerous issues. Exposures that had no effect on some species resulted in neurological symptoms in others. Small exposure levels almost ALWAYS resulted in noticeable agigtation in my neonates. The manufacturer of these strips even recommends that they not be used in even well-ventilated rooms occupied by human beings for more than 4 hours a day.

Since PAM has been on the market, I have used it repeatedly- I have used it around small snakes, I have used it around many, many different species. It has ALWAYS been effective and it has NEVER caused any issues with my animals.

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Vapona = Dichlorvos = DVDP which is still the active ingredient in Hot Shot pest strips.

http://www.drugstore.com/qxp88409_33...pest_strip.htm

These strips have been "recommended" for years. There are no accepted safe guidelines for using them around reptiles - as a matter of fact, there are more horror stories about their effects on young snakes and specific species than you will find with PAM, Black Knight, RID, Ivermectin, etc. combined.

I personally used these strips several times before PAM and other permethrin based alternatives were on the market and had numerous issues. Exposures that had no effect on some species resulted in neurological symptoms in others. Small exposure levels almost ALWAYS resulted in noticeable agigtation in my neonates. The manufacturer of these strips even recommends that they not be used in even well-ventilated rooms occupied by human beings for more than 4 hours a day.

Since PAM has been on the market, I have used it repeatedly- I have used it around small snakes, I have used it around many, many different species. It has ALWAYS been effective and it has NEVER caused any issues with my animals.

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ok so the residue left in substrate on snake whatever is kosher when they drink it etc if youd read to proper use yo been using them for years properly never had issues with any species of snake or lizard and theyre not exposed to it consistently I've used proventamite.....guess what omg still mites I gave it a try it didnt work for me and well to each his own STOP ATTACKING ME YOU FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THERE WERE TWO OTHER WAYS I LISTED AS WELL BUT NNNNNOOOOOOOO its crap like this the nonsense attacking me no matter where i post heck even a pic that makes me not even want to deal with anyone hear geez

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http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...DIST_NR=073617

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Very good - now compare it with:

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...DIST_NR=008845

not to mention one of the other two way was how to use is right didnt say not to freaking use it simply stated what works for me grrrr

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Very good - now compare it with:

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...DIST_NR=008845

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I already did and if youll note before i even posted the links to those thing note i said it has probable on ur proventamite on that first one where yes mine has a whatever ur probable they dont even know for sure i know how to use mine and um 20 bucks for a can of stuff proven to kill fish and whatever else in water systems that has probably vs something that hgas it all out there is a hell of a lot safer you know what to expect you know then how to handle it and how to approach use etc and what to look for the what ifd factor not kosher to me if its fine for you whatever now you wanna attack me cause I grew up in a house full of aspetos and lead pipes and paint and my dad still lives in it due to the were taken off the fort back in the day cause im sure that gives you more ammo. no pest strips work for me provenamite works for you and whomever else....all natural ways work for other back off buddy no said not to use it ugh u ran with tid bits eh enjoy

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I already did and if youll note before i even posted the links to those thing note i said it has probable on ur proventamite on that first one where yes mine has a whatever ur probable they dont even know for sure i know how to use mine and um 20 bucks for a can of stuff proven to kill fish and whatever else in water systems that has probably vs something that hgas it all out there is a hell of a lot safer you know what to expect you know then how to handle it and how to approach use etc and what to look for the what ifd factor not kosher to me if its fine for you whatever now you wanna attack me cause I grew up in a house full of aspetos and lead pipes and paint and my dad still lives in it due to the were taken off the fort back in the day cause im sure that gives you more ammo. no pest strips work for me provenamite works for you and whomever else....all natural ways work for other back off buddy no said not to use it ugh u ran with tid bits eh enjoy

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why don't you go back through the thread read and click the links really im done you have me irate congrats you attacked me from where ever you are have not let up at all i did my research as posted links pay attention a little bit before out right attacking someone i swear have you nothing better to do I WILL CONTINUE TO USE WHAT WORKS FOR ME LEAVE ME ALONE

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why don't you go back through the thread read and click the links really im done you have me irate congrats you attacked me from where ever you are have not let up at all i did my research as posted links pay attention a little bit before out right attacking someone i swear have you nothing better to do I WILL CONTINUE TO USE WHAT WORKS FOR ME LEAVE ME ALONE

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Exactly.

Friendliest online community huh????

Could have fooled me....

I would highly recommend while you are fighting mites to use paper towels as a substrate. Also be sure to cook any wood you might have in the enclosure and don't put it back in until this is all over. Also even though you do not see them....treat every 2-3 weeks for a couple months. Wash any bowls or hides in the dishwasher on a hot cycle. Also if using prevent a mite make sure you spray outside and let dry. Like someone stated really read the directions. It is a little intimidating the first time but fairly easy.

Personally I love it!!!!! Works amazing and we use it as a preventative measure.

So I been treating for about 5 days actually took her out of the tank bleached the tank its been soaking for 48 hours in bleach and water mix. Soak her in a tub and clean her new enclosure everyday with mite spray. Going to get the prevent a mite tomorrow at the local reptile store thanks for the recommendations and advice to all. So far I didn't see any mites in the water today after her soak and no mites on the paper towel before I changed it but I did use the mite spray on the enclosure let it soak for 5 minutes then wiped it down and soaked her for about 45 minutes to rehydrate her since I read alot of the mite products dehydrate them she is acting much more like she use to and no mites so far. :please: I know that I don't wanna count this as a WIN yet but what else would you all recommend for me at this point? Or should I just keep up with the daily cleaning?

thanks kindly,

Lance

P.S. My ball python female yellow belly says thanks too :snake:

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So I been treating for about 5 days actually took her out of the tank bleached the tank its been soaking for 48 hours in bleach and water mix. Soak her in a tub and clean her new enclosure everyday with mite spray. Going to get the prevent a mite tomorrow at the local reptile store thanks for the recommendations and advice to all. So far I didn't see any mites in the water today after her soak and no mites on the paper towel before I changed it but I did use the mite spray on the enclosure let it soak for 5 minutes then wiped it down and soaked her for about 45 minutes to rehydrate her since I read alot of the mite products dehydrate them she is acting much more like she use to and no mites so far. :please: I know that I don't wanna count this as a WIN yet but what else would you all recommend for me at this point? Or should I just keep up with the daily cleaning?

thanks kindly,

Lance

P.S. My ball python female yellow belly says thanks too :snake:

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When you get the PAM, put fresh substrate (enough to perform a cage cleaning with) in a container and lightly spray it down with PAM. Do this outside of your herp room. Let it sit overnight.

The next day remove all of the old substrate, hides, water bowls, etc. and give the cage a thorough cleaning. Place her back in the enclosure with the substrate you treated the night before. Wash the water bowl in the dishwasher, and spray her hide with PAM and let it sit out for a couple of hours.

While PAM claims to give 30 days of protection, I would treat another batch of substrate in two weeks and repeat the above process a second time.

When one of my purchases from a show came home with a 'bonus' (mites, of course) I bought a can of PAM, sprayed her enclosure down, let it air out... no more mites. One treatment, that was it. And due to proper quarantine, the mites didn't get anywhere else, either. ;)

So, I'll vouch for Provent-A-Mite, too. Worth every penny.

Oh, but as others have warned, please follow the instructions on the can to the T. DO NOT spray it on your animal and make sure you remove any water bowls from the enclosure before you treat it.

Lance, it's very possible that your local store won't carry Provent-A-Mite, and you may have to order it online. I puchase mine from http://www.pro-products.com

Also, I know that one of our members here sells it at the shows that he attends, you could PM him and see if he could ship some to you. His username here is cardell75. Charles Cardell.

Went to reptile store they were all out of PAM of course my luck so I ordered some it should be here I believe on tuesday. no sign of mites but I am still doing daily complete cage and substrate cleaning as well as soaking her in a bath for about 45 minutes to drown any mites on her.

lance

So I got my PAM but didn't need it all the mites have vanished I am really impressed with Reptile Spray got them all and the soaking's did the trick. Now that I fought my first mites war and no what to look for hopefully I can prevent ever dealing with them again :please:. I can't thank you all enough for your guidance and advice it really guided me properly and my female yellowbelly is even more thankful to you all. :snake:

kind regards,

Lance :banana:

I would still recommend a PAM treatment, since the eggs might be lying dormant, and PAM kills them for 30 days. I've been fighting mites for about a month, and even with a full PAM treatment they were back in 3 weeks... so I had to do it all over again. Oy! :rolleyes:

I'm with Lolo,

Treat with PAM anyway.

Chances are you killed the adults but will be rapidly re-infected when the eggs they laid hatch.


dr del

Ok PAM treatment tomorrow

thanks again for the help

Lance