Ughhh, WHAT?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-TXm...ure=grec_index

SINCE WHEN?!?!?!?

I know that plenty of people who are anti-hybrid probably don't feel this way, but I feel that burmballs are one of the prettiest snakes ever.

Also, that project is already a few years old, to answer your question.

I just saw that recently. Amazing, huh? :gj:
What I don't get, is did they breed a burm to a BP? Or is it just a burm with a BP pattern?
And if they did breed them, it would probably have had to have been a female burm and a male BP, right? Or could a female BP handle a burm hemipene and eggs? :confused:
Sure is pretty :D :D

I also think they are beautiful. It's a male BP to a female burm.

I forgot about that video. That snake is awesome!

Why are people anti-hybrid?

Nope, not for me. Don't like the hybrid patterns at all. Don't care for the hybrid breeding either. With all of the anti-large python crap going on today, it would be easy for some congress critter to make a point that even ball pythons can get large. Sure, show a burmball on TV and it's 8-12 feet long, and bingo, you've got a ban on ball pythons too.

Just one man's opinion,
Jim Smith

Despite what others may say, it would kind of be like a coral reef shark trying to mate with a great white. We dont see it but I'm just positive everyday there is a group of reef shark boys going "come on already...she aint that big....plus she's been given you the eye".....I dare you to go talk to her!

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Originally Posted by Kysenia

Despite what others may say, it would kind of be like a coral reef shark trying to mate with a great white. We dont see it but I'm just positive everyday there is a group of reef shark boys going "come on already...she aint that big....plus she's been given you the eye".....I dare you to go talk to her!

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"Yeah, but Frank's been missing since he went home with her last week.":D

man that's sweet...what do they run $$$ wise? scared to ask:O

Chad

I recall reading that the burmball was made by accident when a pair of burms (albinos if I'm not mistaken) and a male bp were kept in the same enclosure, so it's not like this was originally done intentionally (though I'm sure hybrid fans will try more now that they've seen it done).

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Originally Posted by Nimitz87

man that's sweet...what do they run $$$ wise? scared to ask:O

Chad

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Hybrids and their prices are weird. There is enough negativity around it that it suppresses the price, but they are difficult enough to create (how many years and attempts did it take to make the superball? I know it was a LONG project to make a handful of animals) that supply is extremely low.

As far as I know, the question is moot simply because I doubt there are any burmballs out there that anyone wants to sell. Most hybrids generally go for between $500 and $5000 from the few I've seen offered.

Some hybrids I find to be VERY ugly but that one has a nice pattern.

I think that snake is sweet. Anybody know how big they get?

I think most people are anti hybrid due to fear. Imagine burmballs slithering around in the Everglades due to some irresponsible owner releasing theirs. That has a huge impact, not only because the animal is not ment to be there in the first place - but technically the animal should not even exist. I don't have a problem with ANY hybrids, as long as they stay in the hands of responsible owners.

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Originally Posted by SixSnakes

I think that snake is sweet. Anybody know how big they get?

I think most people are anti hybrid due to fear. Imagine burmballs slithering around in the Everglades due to some irresponsible owner releasing theirs. That has a huge impact, not only because the animal is not ment to be there in the first place - but technically the animal should not even exist. I don't have a problem with ANY hybrids, as long as they stay in the hands of responsible owners.

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But the problem is, you know they won't stay in the right hands for long...:/ Idiots tend to get a hand of these projects fairly quickly, and ruin it for the rest of us.
>:/
There's just no way to ensure they go to the right owner without severely restricting the ability of the proper owner's ability to get one too. :(

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Originally Posted by SixSnakes

I think that snake is sweet. Anybody know how big they get?

I think most people are anti hybrid due to fear. Imagine burmballs slithering around in the Everglades due to some irresponsible owner releasing theirs. That has a huge impact, not only because the animal is not ment to be there in the first place - but technically the animal should not even exist. I don't have a problem with ANY hybrids, as long as they stay in the hands of responsible owners.

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However, the reptile industry would be much better off if there were only hybrids in the Everglades because of their EXTREMELY low fertility rate, coupled with the low probability of them ever breeding on their own. Not to mention, python hybrids tend not to reach the full size of the two parent species. I think this would be an exception with the burmball though because Burmese pythons get so much larger than ball pythons. I wouldn't expect this animal to get anywhere close to a full sized burm though.

i love this snake if i could have one i would i just love the coloring on it the pattern is amazing but im my eyes the best hybrind is the Woma Python x Ball Python= The Wall Python this thing is simply amazing prettiest animal i have ever seen in my opinion
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...t037/nerd2.jpg
to me i just love its pattern its like the alien heads of the ball and the stripes of the woma got in a big fight

Alien Head: "lets connect here"
Stripes: "no lets keep going up"
Alien Head: "NO connect here"
Stripes: "NO Keep Going Up my friend on the other side is expecting me at the top!"
Alien Head: " No my Friend Next Door is expecting me to meet him over here on the side"

and then the Wall Python was Created (i kno i have too much time on my hands)

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Originally Posted by ahunt037

i love this snake if i could have one i would i just love the coloring on it the pattern is amazing but im my eyes the best hybrind is the Woma Python x Ball Python= The Wall Python this thing is simply amazing prettiest animal i have ever seen in my opinion
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...t037/nerd2.jpg
to me i just love its pattern its like the alien heads of the ball and the stripes of the woma got in a big fight

Alien Head: "lets connect here"
Stripes: "no lets keep going up"
Alien Head: "NO connect here"
Stripes: "NO Keep Going Up my friend on the other side is expecting me at the top!"
Alien Head: " No my Friend Next Door is expecting me to meet him over here on the side"

and then the Wall Python was Created (i kno i have too much time on my hands)

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I actually do like the pattern of this one, it looks almost like hearts in the pattern.

Are they as docile as ball pythons? And how long so they really get?
I mean ball pythons are the perfect size and snake basically there is. So why mess with making a burm ball that can grow huge lengths. I think it was maybe unnecessary to do so. Because Like someone said this just poses as a another variable that can threaten the legality of ball pythons.

I am ambivalent about hybrids. In reality, none of our captive bred animals are ever going anywhere near their native habitat--they will never be released into the wild, and they will ALWAYS be pets. Since they will always be pets, why NOT hybridize them? I would never condone hybridizing native species, or endangered or threatened species, but the rest? There's no reason why not. We're creating more interesting pets, nothing more.

HOWEVER...I think some things should be put in place as safeguards FIRST. One of the most important things would be the creation of registries for the species involved. Ball pythons NEED a registry at this point anyhow. A registry would help prevent hybrid genes from contaminating pure ball python bloodlines. In other words, there's nothing wrong with hybrids, so long as you KNOW they are hybrids.

As for the BurmBall itself...the Dwarf island Burmese strain would make an ideal choice for producing hybrids of this type, as it would ensure that the offspring remain the size of a ball python. Dwarf Burms still have a reputation for being temperamental, last I heard, but selective breeding will take care of that over time. Normal Burms are known to be pretty docile snakes, so I imagine the BurmBall is likely to be fairly docile as well (though individual personalities vary).

I agree about the registry. There needs to be records of who is buying and owning snakes.
Ha well even if they did ban ball pythons. I guarantee you I wouldn't hand mine over. I would adopt the stance of don't ask dont tell. lol Ahhh I can just imagine it now a black market of ball pythons.

I'm not a big fan of hybrids. Some of them are pretty and most of them are interesting in their own right but there are too many vendors at reptile shows who can't even get their "pure blood" animals right. How can they be expected to honestly represent a hybrid animal should one be on their table? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Nope, not for me. Don't like the hybrid patterns at all. Don't care for the hybrid breeding either. With all of the anti-large python crap going on today, it would be easy for some congress critter to make a point that even ball pythons can get large. Sure, show a burmball on TV and it's 8-12 feet long, and bingo, you've got a ban on ball pythons too.

Just one man's opinion,
Jim Smith

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That doesn't make any sense.

Just like with dogs. A lot of areas have bans on dogs that are pure wolf but if they are part wolf, it is completely different. I think it is interesting and something I would never pursue but it isn't the ball python gene that would be to any concern.

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Originally Posted by ericzerka24

That doesn't make any sense.

Just like with dogs. A lot of areas have bans on dogs that are pure wolf but if they are part wolf, it is completely different. I think it is interesting and something I would never pursue but it isn't the ball python gene that would be to any concern.

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I agree, but J_H I think was saying that because the bp is part of the hybrid they would find some reason to ban BP's as well. This happening if people started releasing them into the wild. But there is not way to know if people will be responsible, so I agree in it being a bad idea. I just would be really mad if something like that happened so I have no interest in producing, or buying one. They are still a beautiful hybrid though!

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Originally Posted by Animals As Leaders

I agree, but J_H I think was saying that because the bp is part of the hybrid they would find some reason to ban BP's as well. This happening if people started releasing them into the wild. But there is not way to know if people will be responsible, so I agree in it being a bad idea. I just would be really mad if something like that happened so I have no interest in producing, or buying one. They are still a beautiful hybrid though!

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Hybrid discussions are just a can of worms. I personally, don't see the reasoning behind hybridizing ball pythons with other python family members. I can see some why some hybrids come about, because they *COULD* happen in the wild, just very, very rare.

A genetic registry would be nice to have. I'd like to know if I was buying an animal with diluted genes or not.

But to each their own. If you want to own mutts, it's your choice. Me? I'll stick with just my ball pythons.

I demand Wall x bateater!

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Originally Posted by ericzerka24

That doesn't make any sense.

Just like with dogs. A lot of areas have bans on dogs that are pure wolf but if they are part wolf, it is completely different. I think it is interesting and something I would never pursue but it isn't the ball python gene that would be to any concern.

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What doesn't make sense? If a Ball Python is used to breed to a larger python, then an uninformed member of Congress would come to the conclusion that Ball Pythons can be grown larger, to the point of being "Dangerous".

If that makes no sense to you, then you need to read the words more slowly.;)

Jim Smith

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Why are people anti-hybrid?

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Hey friend! ok so the anti hybrid....personally my snakes should stick with well their species. I can see how the media would twist such a beautiful creature into well what ever they want....they have made thinking an option for anyone now. People will believe anything so long as it isn't the truth....personally no against hybrids would I breed my balls to my tics and have the baltics (lol) not with the current drama and the majority of people being closed minded thanks to the media, think I'll keep balls balls, tics tics, burms burms and so on again very pretty but the ability to see both sides of the coin on this topic definitely keeping it simple myself and trying to show my little corner my giants aren't out to eat em :) duuuuuuude Kona shed sooooooooo purdy

her name is INDICA - india x africa


there was a thread on another forum asking for name suggestions - mine was the one that was chosen :banana:

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her name is INDICA - india x africa


there was a thread on another forum asking for name suggestions - mine was the one that was chosen :banana:

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wait what? the burm ball is call INDICA? lmao thats my three year olds name and tech latin name for a species of plant

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Originally Posted by Animals As Leaders

I agree, but J_H I think was saying that because the bp is part of the hybrid they would find some reason to ban BP's as well. This happening if people started releasing them into the wild. But there is not way to know if people will be responsible, so I agree in it being a bad idea. I just would be really mad if something like that happened so I have no interest in producing, or buying one. They are still a beautiful hybrid though!

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First, the burm/everglades problem has nothing to do with people releasing their pets into the swamp. So the laws they already passed technically have nothing to do with people being irresponsible with their pets. It's blatantly anti-pet legislation, using PR and media spin to ban some sort of species of pet to get the anti-pet groups a foot in the door.

Second, if you aren't anti-hybrid, why would you title this "Uggghhh, WHAT?!?" while showing a video of a pretty gorgeous hybrid snake? I mean, if you're against hybrids, at least stick to the opinion instead of flip-flopping in the thread. If I somehow mis-read and "Ugghhh, WHAT!?>!?" means "Wow, I like this!", then I apologize.

Third, while I don't particularly want to own a hybrid, some of them are really gorgeous and pose no more environmental or legislative danger than your typical ball python or other pet snake does. The only concern I would have is not keeping proper track of what is pure ball/pure other, and what is hybridized. Since there's no way to permamently mark a hatchling snake, it's virtually impossible to keep track, other than giving paperwork and HOPING that the new owner keeps it straight and honest. If we could microchip all hybrids to prove they were not pure, it would solve that issue, but #1 you aren't supposed to chip hatchling sized snakes, and #2 no way to enforce it.

Fourth, someone said there should be a registry to mark who owns snakes. Then they promptly said if balls were outlawed, they'd still keep their snakes. If you're registered as per the suggestion you supported, the authorities would easily come take away the animals, as they would have records indicating that you owned them. You might want to rethink that idea, unless you are totally willing to get busted if a law like that got passed. Myself, I think a registry of breeders would be useful, IF it were merely a private record keeping(like iHerp?) but not a official forced registration.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Second, if you aren't anti-hybrid, why would you title this "Uggghhh, WHAT?!?" while showing a video of a pretty gorgeous hybrid snake? I mean, if you're against hybrids, at least stick to the opinion instead of flip-flopping in the thread. If I somehow mis-read and "Ugghhh, WHAT!?>!?" means "Wow, I like this!", then I apologize.

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I think I can say his "Uggghhh", was a good one lol probably close to eating a hot fresh cinnabon! and his "WHAT?!?!" was along the question with excitement.... it's a beauty of a snake

LOL.. when I eat a hot gooey cinnabun.. I say "Mmmm GRRRRR!!! MINE!!!" But then.. that's me.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Second, if you aren't anti-hybrid, why would you title this "Uggghhh, WHAT?!?" while showing a video of a pretty gorgeous hybrid snake? I mean, if you're against hybrids, at least stick to the opinion instead of flip-flopping in the thread. If I somehow mis-read and "Ugghhh, WHAT!?>!?" means "Wow, I like this!", then I apologize.

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:rofl:

You misunderstood my title haha!

When I wrote Ughhhh, WHAT it was supposed to be a surprised ughhh, what lol

Sorry for the misunderstanding :)

never really liked the burm ball, kinda plain to me, i do love hybrids tho, carpondros can be amazing. The few atb x etb are pretty cool also.