Battle of the Giant

For those who own both retics and burms, what do you think the strength ratio of a burm to a retic is. Obviously, there are many factors playing in to this.
For example would a 10 foot burm be as strong as a 15 foot retic?
Thoughts?

UMMM.... No. I have a few of each and yes they are strong but I have a female retic 17 foot, and a male retic 15 foot, and then also a 12 foot burm, and time and time again when i put them in with her to clean cages or breeding, she tosses them around like they are dolls, I do not believe that a 10 foot burm is as strong as a 15 retic, I also believe that a 10 foot retic is not as strong as a 15 burm, but I also think its based not only on size but agression level feeding regiment, and just even basic care.

my retic and burms are nothing compared to my green anaconda. Shes going to be a handful when shes an adult. Shes only 7 feet and can throw me around

I was just wondering if burms were considerably stronger, since they seem to pack a lot more weight at the same lengths than tics do.

strength as in constricting strength?

I once read in a forum (repticzone.com? bobclark forums? forgot...) that pound for pound, retics supposedly are the "strongest".

Id say retics are MUCH stronger than burms...

Sorry for not clarifying, yes I was speaking of constriction.

First off hands down to retics. as said I have a few of both and my female will toss you around like she is queen of everything, If she wants to do it she will and it takes alot to get her to see it otherwise. But I do believe that Anacondas are the strongest noy in constricting but as for throwing us around. Used to have one and she used to treat me like I was a baby doll. However my first Burm was also a female and when she got to be about 17-18 foot i fed her, her first Pig and it was alive, Give me a break i was 15, anyways, When I gave it to her she struck and constricted so hard the head popped off. Needless to say it was in my mothers bathroom and she saw the mess and me screaming and laughing loudly, she made me get rid of her. So I think it might be a toss up, every animal is different and acts differently, and one will always be stronger than the other.

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Originally Posted by Jadonh

First off hands down to retics. as said I have a few of both and my female will toss you around like she is queen of everything, If she wants to do it she will and it takes alot to get her to see it otherwise. But I do believe that Anacondas are the strongest noy in constricting but as for throwing us around. Used to have one and she used to treat me like I was a baby doll. However my first Burm was also a female and when she got to be about 17-18 foot i fed her, her first Pig and it was alive, Give me a break i was 15, anyways, When I gave it to her she struck and constricted so hard the head popped off. Needless to say it was in my mothers bathroom and she saw the mess and me screaming and laughing loudly, she made me get rid of her. So I think it might be a toss up, every animal is different and acts differently, and one will always be stronger than the other.

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I don't know what is more ridiculous, the head popping off or the fact you could have a burm that size at fifteen(extremely jealous, not judgemental). :)

Damn! 18-foot pythons.. decapitated pigs.....bloody bathrooms.....screaming Moms....

I love this place!

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Originally Posted by eracer

Damn! 18-foot pythons.. decapitated pigs.....bloody bathrooms.....screaming Moms....

I love this place!

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:D Isn't it great?!?! I love this place!

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Originally Posted by Gibber19

I don't know what is more ridiculous, the head popping off or the fact you could have a burm that size at fifteen(extremely jealous, not judgemental). :)

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Don't be confused I grew up in a family where our room was your room your privacy was yours, so I got this snake at 5 foot from a friend who wanted a shoebox of baseball and football cards, so i said yeah andthen got it home and hid from my parents till the pig incident. I even put a lock on my door so no one could get in, and find it it lived in that closet for a few years. STUPID PIGS..... They should be born with stronger necks

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Originally Posted by Brie

:D Isn't it great?!?! I love this place!

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LMAO:D I have since gotten rid of that snake But since have aquired 3 retics and 2 burms and those just the big snakes, getting ready to move 2 biggest snakes to pigs 1.0 Purple Albino 15 ft retic, and 0.1 tiger retic 17 foot.

You seriously feed pigs to your snakes?? :O Well... I guess a rat doesn't go far with a 15 and 17 foot retic LOL Pigs.. and I was freaked out over the chicken leg video. :P

Learn so much everyday in this place!!

Right now i feed the 20 lb pigs or 2 small lambs a month cost me almost 20 per rabbit or 15 per lamb. Pigs will cost me. 35 for a 30 lb or 40 for a 50 lb. I will still due lambs once in awhile, but I will only have to feed once every 3-4 months instead of every month. What I amy do is feed pig, then wait 3-4 months, then due 2 lambs, then pig again, and so on and so on......

Wow... that has to be a.. unusual sight to see.

Very Cool Actually, By the way my childhood was spent growing up in Tahlequah down at lake tenkiller in wild cat point

:P Thats just a few miles from me... lol

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Originally Posted by Jadonh

Don't be confused I grew up in a family where our room was your room your privacy was yours, so I got this snake at 5 foot from a friend who wanted a shoebox of baseball and football cards, so i said yeah andthen got it home and hid from my parents till the pig incident. I even put a lock on my door so no one could get in, and find it it lived in that closet for a few years. STUPID PIGS..... They should be born with stronger necks

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You must have had a large closet and have been ridiculously sneaky to hide a 17 foot burm and it's food.

Your parents never smelled its feces and urine? 17 foot python pee has an extremely strong odor to it. When mine pee I can smell it all through the house as soon as I walk in the front door.

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Originally Posted by Denial

Your parents never smelled its feces and urine? 17 foot python pee has an extremely strong odor to it. When mine pee I can smell it all through the house as soon as I walk in the front door.

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Oh no I grew up on a dairy farm, so there where all types of smells I grew up in Oklahoma, And as I said, My parents were very firm about our privacy. Like I said I also had a lock on the door. So that my younger brothers and sisters ( I have 5 brothers and 5 sisters, I am the middle child) couldn't get in if they wanted to. I didn't grow up in a normal house, in all practical sense of the word. It was also a very large house. With a lot of animals in it. We had 7 dogs, pigs, cats, fish, turtles, horses, of course cattle, and also 11 kids. You tell me if they would have noticed the odd smell. I lived with it in my room for years and didn't notice......LOL....... Just how things are growing up on a ranch. Did I mention all the men in my family are hunters also, so it was nothing to have some thing that had been killed sitting in a field 50 yards from the front door, coyote, fox, skunk. alot of people don't understand it b/c they grew up in the city or at least out skirts of the city. Not me grew up in the middle of no where. Nearest neighbor was 3000 acres a way. So once again, no they didn't even notice the smell.... I am not sayinmg that the animals went in the house either, but any one that has had animals, knows that there is a certain smell that comes with that animal, now add 2600 cattle, horses, dogs.etc..etc and you get the idea

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Originally Posted by Jadonh

Oh no I grew up on a dairy farm, so there where all types of smells I grew up in Oklahoma, And as I said, My parents were very firm about our privacy. Like I said I also had a lock on the door. So that my younger brothers and sisters ( I have 5 brothers and 5 sisters, I am the middle child) couldn't get in if they wanted to. I didn't grow up in a normal house, in all practical sense of the word. It was also a very large house. With a lot of animals in it. We had 7 dogs, pigs, cats, fish, turtles, horses, of course cattle, and also 11 kids. You tell me if they would have noticed the odd smell. I lived with it in my room for years and didn't notice......LOL....... Just how things are growing up on a ranch. Did I mention all the men in my family are hunters also, so it was nothing to have some thing that had been killed sitting in a field 50 yards from the front door, coyote, fox, skunk. alot of people don't understand it b/c they grew up in the city or at least out skirts of the city. Not me grew up in the middle of no where. Nearest neighbor was 3000 acres a way. So once again, no they didn't even notice the smell.... I am not sayinmg that the animals went in the house either, but any one that has had animals, knows that there is a certain smell that comes with that animal, now add 2600 cattle, horses, dogs.etc..etc and you get the idea

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All of that clears up a lot of questions. What still nags at me is how you took care of it. You said it was 17-18 foot while you were 15. You said you got it at 5 foot and traded a box of sports cards for it. That makes me think you were probably somewhere around the age of 10. 12 feet in five years seems pretty quick for a male burm, when you consider it was probably already a year old. I'm sure you could have feed it large prey items being on a farm and wouldn't have had any husbandry difficulties. I assume you most likely were good with your hands. I also wouldn't be surprised if you had found a heat source from a chicken lights, or something like that. What throws me off is a 10-15 year old taking care of a 10-18 foot burm. That is really damn impressive. Kudos to you.

wow that must of been a health hazard living in conditions were you didnt smell a 17 foot snake feces. My whole house smells when one of mine go and everyone knows a snake crapped when we walk in the door. If you couldnt smell it that must of been pretty bad

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Originally Posted by Denial

wow that must of been a health hazard living in conditions were you didnt smell a 17 foot snake feces. My whole house smells when one of mine go and everyone knows a snake crapped when we walk in the door. If you couldnt smell it that must of been pretty bad

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I think more along the lines of being desensitized. Where I live 90 planes fly over my house in an hour and I don't hear a single one (5 minutes away from the airport). I imagine that living on a farm, pee was probably not a smell you noticed.

i couldnt imagine not noticing 17 foot burm pee. But whatever works i guess

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Originally Posted by Gibber19

All of that clears up a lot of questions. What still nags at me is how you took care of it. You said it was 17-18 foot while you were 15. You said you got it at 5 foot and traded a box of sports cards for it. That makes me think you were probably somewhere around the age of 10. 12 feet in five years seems pretty quick for a male burm, when you consider it was probably already a year old. I'm sure you could have feed it large prey items being on a farm and wouldn't have had any husbandry difficulties. I assume you most likely were good with your hands. I also wouldn't be surprised if you had found a heat source from a chicken lights, or something like that. What throws me off is a 10-15 year old taking care of a 10-18 foot burm. That is really damn impressive. Kudos to you.

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Well First off Thank you. I will say that it was my first snake, minus a ribbon snake I bought at a pet store that ended up dying a few weeks after I got it. I can also honestly say that I also over fed him tremendously, I had access to rabbits galore living on a farm. So I know that he ate alot and I do not make those mistakes again and overfeed them, but i did then. Also about the smell my house was not destroyed or nasty but as i said unless you grew up on a farm with a lot of animals then its hard to explain what it is when I say you didnt notice the smell. I have three large snakes now, and don't notice a smell until I open the cages then i smell it. So once again thank you, and to the one who said I grew up in a disastor of a house, thanks to you also, just i grew up in the country on a Dairy farm does not mean I grew up in a disgusting house or enviroment. i never once said I knew what i was doing then just said i did it and what the living conditions where. I do not make those mistakes again, but i have learned, once again 3 large snakes in a collection of 40 and I still do not notice the smell, maybe you should check your food sources.

I got my first Burm when I was about 12 I guess. She was probably 14' by the time I was out of high school. I never had a problem handling her. I did however notice when she took a number 3 (that is the number one and number two at the same time, which they have a habit of doing LOL).

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Originally Posted by tomfromtheshade

I got my first Burm when I was about 12 I guess. She was probably 14' by the time I was out of high school. I never had a problem handling her. I did however notice when she took a number 3 (that is the number one and number two at the same time, which they have a habit of doing LOL).

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I'm not saying that you don't notice it, but even now with the large group of snakes I have I still don't notice it. Maybe as said before when you grow upon a farm the smell is not really noticeable. As I said I dont. Oh well to each his own

I am not an expert or have no knowledge of big snakes, physics , force etc pounds per inch.

But here is my thought.

Would it not affect the girth of the animal? If all things are similar except the girth or cirumference of the animal.....then wouldnt the smaller in circumference be able to create more fpsi in general? Of course all other things would need to be similar?

Like i said I have no general knowledge:) just a thought if the fat man with short arms and the skinny man with longer arms are the same strength....the skinny long arm could squeeze you harder?


So retic more force then burmese? keep in mind fpsi would not include weight of the animal into account.

This may not make any sense at all and not sure why I am talking about it lol:)

Troy

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Originally Posted by Kysenia

I am not an expert or have no knowledge of big snakes, physics , force etc pounds per inch.

But here is my thought.

Would it not affect the girth of the animal? If all things are similar except the girth or cirumference of the animal.....then wouldnt the smaller in circumference be able to create more fpsi in general? Of course all other things would need to be similar?

Like i said I have no general knowledge:) just a thought if the fat man with short arms and the skinny man with longer arms are the same strength....the skinny long arm could squeeze you harder?


So retic more force then burmese? keep in mind fpsi would not include weight of the animal into account.

This may not make any sense at all and not sure why I am talking about it lol:)

Troy

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I have no idea at all this sounds like something for the guys who do the robotics on those animals to see which is stronger

If your interested in the strength i think some of you might find this video interesting and give you a idea


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja3Q9ZwWfec

post a video of you feeding a pig to your snake :banana:

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Originally Posted by Dundee

If your interested in the strength i think some of you might find this video interesting and give you a idea


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja3Q9ZwWfec

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Awesome video!

Burmese power, speed, agility, and intelligence I think are terribly underrated by your average herper.

Don't forget that more captive constrictor deaths have been caused by burms than any other species. I think that under-estimating their abilities has played a part in it.

That said, when comparing giant snakes of equal weight for muscle power, I'd have to give the edge to green anacondas, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Burmese power, speed, agility, and intelligence I think are terribly underrated by your average herper.

Don't forget that more captive constrictor deaths have been caused by burms than any other species. I think that under-estimating their abilities has played a part in it.

That said, when comparing giant snakes of equal weight for muscle power, I'd have to give the edge to green anacondas, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong.

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I think it's safe to say that more deaths are caused by burms than any other large constrictor because they've been popular for longer. That being said, I do agree with you in think that people underestimate burms. I feel like I see a lot of one person burm videos on YouTube, and fairly any one person tic videos.

green anacondas are incredibly strong. Cookie is only around 7 feet now and she is the only snake in my collection that I have trouble getting back into her enclosure when she doesent want to go. She is going to be a monster when she gets larger. Most retics are alot more active then burms or condas so they tend to stay a lot more firm and slender where as most burms and anacondas will start packing on the pounds

Great video. Thanks a bunch for posting.

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