Ball Python Registry?

It states on 'herpregistry.com' that a ball python registry was supposed to be created this summer. Summer is over, and obviously the registry has not yet been announced, and there's no link to it.

Does anyone have any information on that? I've personally been waiting for a registry for a long time, and it's far past the point that we should have one.

For those who aren't sure of the purpose of a registry, it's simply this--a centralized database that keeps track of pedigrees. By storing pedigree information in a centralized location, breeders can cooperate to track bloodlines. This aids in the development of new lines, morphs, and morph combos, and also aids in the prevention of excessive inbreeding, as well as preventing hybrids from contaminating gene pools without folks knowing.

At present, there are only registries for corn snakes and Amazon tree boas. The need for registries for ball pythons, boa constrictors, leopard geckos, bearded dragons, panther chameleons, and crested geckos seems fairly obvious to me.

I hope that the project has only been delayed, and hasn't been scrapped.

It would be interesting to try it out...
the only thing is, its based off the fact that WE the public fill it out...
which is great in theory, unless people just dont use it...

Generally, you pay a small fee to register an animal (just as with any existing registry), and the animal then has papers that follow it when it's sold.
If people don't use it, then you have unregistered animals--no big deal. The demand for registered animals will only increase as the database expands.

Really, NO ONE knows anything about this?

never heard of it before, sounds good on paper but how would you keep people honest about the animal ie.... het for whetever. on average you would not prove it out for 2 to 3 years.

The same way other registries do. It isn't exactly difficult to determine fraud when there is a paper trail!
No one selling fake hets is going to register them, and wind up with police knocking on their door when someone finds out about it.

Registration means that person's identity is confirmed, and that animal's identity is confirmed, and it's all kept in a central database. That is more than enough to prosecute for fraud if someone registers a normal as a het. What's more, that individual would be barred from registering animals in the future, and all of the animals that they have registered would likely be removed from the registry.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

The same way other registries do. It isn't exactly difficult to determine fraud when there is a paper trail!
No one selling fake hets is going to register them, and wind up with police knocking on their door when someone finds out about it.

Registration means that person's identity is confirmed, and that animal's identity is confirmed, and it's all kept in a central database. That is more than enough to prosecute for fraud if someone registers a normal as a het. What's more, that individual would be barred from registering animals in the future, and all of the animals that they have registered would likely be removed from the registry.

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You say this as if it were fact.

I suspect there are more than a few that will simply stand on their reputations and take no part in any registry.

There is no way you can tell me that what you say is based on anything other than your wishes.

You have no clue how things will/would play out, nor what would happen, will happen knowing people as I do, when a fraud is committed. Who's going to accredit this registry? Who will authority be derived from? How will they apply pressure to any non-member?

I don't see this happening.

Well, if it doesn't happen in 5 years, I'll do it myself.

There's already a corn snake registry, and an Amazon Tree Boa registry, so clearly it's not an insurmountable challenge, lol.

Some of your questions make strange assumptions about how registries work.

That will be a nice way to increase the price on the snakes + & you know are sure if the animals is a real HET for whatever, and not getting ripped off. (although it will still happen.)

Some time you cant go by a reputation, I can think of a few that lost it all over the years by selling hets that were not. The one that comes to mind was vary big back in the day. If something like this would work ide be for it. But i see no way to make it work 100% But it would be nice to buy a het with out thinking is it?

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Originally Posted by smd58

Some time you cant go by a reputation, I can think of a few that lost it all over the years by selling hets that were not. The one that comes to mind was vary big back in the day. If something like this would work ide be for it. But i see no way to make it work 100% But it would be nice to buy a het with out thinking is it?

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Yeah...

I know what you mean.

Does the lineage database in iHerp count?

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The lineage database is a system that allows all animals to be interrelated to one another. When enabling an animal for the lineage database, this animal, and it's parents, need to be set for public view, and once added, cannot be removed (this would break the lineage tree). If you would like to add this animal to the lineage database (at whatever entry point), click the button below.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

The same way other registries do. It isn't exactly difficult to determine fraud when there is a paper trail!
No one selling fake hets is going to register them, and wind up with police knocking on their door when someone finds out about it.

Registration means that person's identity is confirmed, and that animal's identity is confirmed, and it's all kept in a central database. That is more than enough to prosecute for fraud if someone registers a normal as a het. What's more, that individual would be barred from registering animals in the future, and all of the animals that they have registered would likely be removed from the registry.

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What happens when an animal is registered as a het, but due to something beyond your control, whether it's an animal you bought as a het or sperm retention from the previous year turns out to not be a het? There's just too many variables with ball pythons, not to mention the fact that there's just too many breeders for it to be all encompassing. You've got the little guys doing it for a hobby that aren't going to want to pay a fee to register every animal they produce, and then you've got the big guys producing 1000+ offspring every year that I think it's safe to say won't want to register every animal regardless of the cost. If something like this DOES happen, I think it'll be a pretty small niche of breeders that would actually use it...

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

If something like this DOES happen, I think it'll be a pretty small niche of breeders that would actually use it...

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Yup, what he said. Just like the cornsnake registry.

I use the cornsnake registry actually.

The breeder doesn't pay to register babies, the person buying the baby does. The breeder just registers his breeders. It lets you see both ancestors of your snake, and progeny.

Here is a link to one of my snakes, you can see three generations of her ancestors, plus a couple of her kids. It's a pretty cool thing.

http://www.herpregistry.com/acr/Registry.php?idnum=4978

The American Corn Snake Registry is now offering an annual fee of $60 to register as many corn snakes as a breeder wants to within a calendar year, so it's a pretty good deal if you have a lot of them to register. You can also still register them individually if you don't have too many. And it's still totally free to be added to their list as a breeder, even if you don't choose to register individual animals.

I have all of my corns registered, but I know not every breeder makes the effort to register all of their animals. It is quite a bit of work to take all their pictures and input their genetic details. Even without detailed registrations from each and every breeder, the ACR still offers a nice list of over 800 corn snake breeders around the world, their business names, locations and links to their websites. I would love to see something similar come together for ball pythons.

Ball python registry is now up and running...
http://royalpedigrees.com/index.php

Unless you chip the animal, the registry is only as good as the person typing in the information. I would rather trust the hand full of breeders I know personally, and my own judgment.

The other thing about a registry is it's a great place to find out who has what. When that knock comes on your door and the nice guys in the pretty uniforms say they're there to take away your animals, you may not be so happy that you were the one who told them what you had and where you lived.

Anyone, ANYONE who thinks that information will be kept private is REALLY good at playing ostrich.