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Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
I recently had someone tell me about 3 types or grades of lucys you can produce. Which I had never heard before. He said Lesser X Lesser make the best lucys, Lesser X Mojave make the 2nd best lucys, and Mojave X Mojave are the lowest grade(quality) of lucys.
What does he mean that one produces a better "lucy" than the other?
IF someone could explain that it would be great, considering I had never heard that before.
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Well when you breed Lesser to Lesser you will have more of a pure white shade. When breeding Mojave to Mojave it will have more of a off white appearance if not cream tint to it. All Lucy's are good, but you just need to see pictures of them to really see the difference.
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
It's just his opinion I think the super mojo is the best lucy.
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personally lesserxlesser or butterxbutter make the purest white lucy
mojoxmojo has an almost yellow in the white.
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I've heard this as well, though I've also heard that many lesser/lesser lucies have slightly "bugged" eyes. For this reason alone, I'm planning to stick to lesser/mojave breedings as the lesser/mojave lucies look pretty darned white to me, and I don't want a bug-eyed ball ... But it's all opinion tho :)
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Whitest of the White
Russo X Russo or Russo X Lesser/Butter makes the whitest of the white lucy.
Joe Ellis
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super mojaves are call low grade because they tend to yellow out and have a head pattern, im sure you can search super mojave and find all sorts of pics.
Lesser/Mojave
Some lesser mojaves have a yellow tint or still have head pattern like the one pictured above.
yes i guess some lesser/lesser get bugged eyes, donno about butter/butter or lesser/butter, i would expect them to tho.
super mochas (latte) seem to have some pattern, and ive herd some super vin russo lucys have some pattern, but ive never seen one...mayb its a rumor?
if you want pure white basically just don't use mojave, lesser/butter/russo/mocha/mystic/phantom x lesser/butter = pure white
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
We own Super Mojaves, Lesser/Mojaves and White Diamonds and I can tell you that out of those the Lesser/Mojave is WHITEST! The White Diamond (Het Russo X Het Russo) is not the whitest snakes out there it has a lot of pattern down it's back and the Super Mojave is not pure white either but it's one of my favorite white snakes.
I'll let the pictures speak for themselves!
White Diamond (Het Russo X Het Russo)
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/DSC_0359.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/DSC_0361.jpg
White Diamond with a Lesser/Mojave BEL
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/DSC_0354.jpg
Super Mojave
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/DSC_0171.jpg
Lesser/Mojave BEL at 8 months old
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/DSC_1413.jpg
Hopefully those pictures can help a little. :salute:
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
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Originally Posted by Sloanreptiles
I love the super mojo but that white diamond is awesome. How big is that white diamond?
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Lesser x Mojave is identical to a Lesser x lesser.
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
super mojaves are call low grade because they tend to yellow out and have a head pattern, im sure you can search super mojave and find all sorts of pics.
Lesser/Mojave
Some lesser mojaves have a yellow tint or still have head pattern like the one pictured above.
yes i guess some lesser/lesser get bugged eyes, donno about butter/butter or lesser/butter, i would expect them to tho.
super mochas (latte) seem to have some pattern, and ive herd some super vin russo lucys have some pattern, but ive never seen one...mayb its a rumor?
if you want pure white basically just don't use mojave, lesser/butter/russo/mocha/mystic/phantom x lesser/butter = pure white
Could you possibly post a link to another example or just post the pic? When I try to go to that site my computer throws up malware warnings.
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
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Originally Posted by chago11
I love the super mojo but that white diamond is awesome. How big is that white diamond?
She is around 100 grams her stripe should turn yellow as she ages. :salute:
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
Wow the Lesser X Mojave bel is gorgeous!!! I think when I begin breeding it will def be that combo. Actually I think Lesser X mojave is better than just Lesser X Lesser than you can get Mojaves, norms, lessers, and bels. :DD Unless u can get all those with two lessers. I wouldn't know.
Thank you so much for the pics and everyone else for replying! It helped a lot!
Yea that link made my comp go malware crazy too. Didnt want me on the site.
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
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Originally Posted by J.Vandegrift
Could you possibly post a link to another example or just post the pic? When I try to go to that site my computer throws up malware warnings.
im not allowed to post the pic under this forums rules, i don't own it... i've gotten in trouble for it before
Its googles genius (and by that i mean useless and full of false alarms) protection. Nothing attempted to download when I went to it.
I just emailed him and asked him for permission to use the pictures tho.
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
Why isn't anyone talking about black-eyed lucys?
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
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Originally Posted by robhonney
Why isn't anyone talking about black-eyed lucys?
I've always wondered what black-eyed lucys are called for short... I mean BEL is only for blue-eyed, right? So, black-eyed would be just Lucys?
Which is whiter lesser/mojave or yb/yb?
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
The all white Spider Pieds and Lesser Pieds seem REALLY white. I would imagine they will keep their whiteness as they age, just like regular Pieds do.
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Re: Different levels/ grades of Lucys?
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Originally Posted by anatess
I've always wondered what black-eyed lucys are called for short... I mean BEL is only for blue-eyed, right? So, black-eyed would be just Lucys?
Which is whiter lesser/mojave or yb/yb?
BlkEL is blakc eyed lucy
yb/yb is gotta be the dirtiest white snakes there is, solid yellow line goes down their back.
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I thought BEL included blue eyed lucys as well as black eyed lucys, short for both. What causes a lucy to have either blue eyes or black eyes. Do specific morphs result in black eyes and then other blue eyes. Can you get a blue eyed and a black eyed lucy in the same clutch?
And can a ybXyb even be considered a white snake?
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Blue eyed lucy's are produced from the previously mentioned. While Black eyed lucy's are produced from fire to fire. They usually as clean a white snake as the blue eyed version, but they do have black eyes with red pupils. You cnannot make a black eyed from a blue eyed pair and vice versa. Its all genetic.
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You already know all the Blue eye crosses, black eyed Leucy is from a fire to a fire, but I've seen a LOT of black eyes that were not pure white but rather had various degrees of yellow spots and splotches. I don't know that they all have it, but a lot seem to.
The YB cross produces what called an ivory, while it isn't very white per se, ivory is just another name for a shade of white so I guess it's a matter of personal opinion.
You cannot breed two blue eyes and produce black eyes or vise versa, but according to a question asked here recently, it is possible to produce both types in the same clutch with the correct parents. I believe what was mentioned was a Fire/Mojave to another Fire/Mojave. It seems the main thing to accomplish this would be that both parents would have to carry the fire gene as well as one of the genes for producing blue eyes. So a fire/butter, fire/lesser, fire/mojave, etc. As long as both parents carried both one black eye gene and one blue eye gene, you should get both in the babies.
Gale
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