Has anyone ever seen this before?

I was sent pics of this ball today. I've never seen anything like it myself. I was wondering if anyone else had. Any input would be good.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...th_unball4.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...th_unball3.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...th_unball2.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/...th_unball1.jpg

I don't have much experience with morphs, but it looks like a Desert Ghost to me. Might want to wait for an expert on this though ;)
It's pretty, that's for sure.

Looks like an older fire to me..but I haven't seen any adult Desert ghosts in person son I can't say what it isn't..

just from the look of the small pics (i cant get em bigger), i would say it looks a bit like an adult desert ghost too.

I 2nd the fire thaught.

It doesn't look like an adult desert ghost to me. I'be seen and held several adults at NERD.

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Adult fire is my vote.Looks just like my guy.

I'm only getting one pic, but I would say it is not an adult fire because of its head. Doesn't really look like a desert ghost either. It's definitely unique looking

I 3rd or 4th the fire vote, lol

Super Vanilla?

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Super Vanilla?

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You know I was looking a the head thinking the same thing but didn't want to change my vote. LOL

It looks a LOT like my friend's vanilla that shed out and lost its color ... So much so that I had to check and see if they were pics of the same snake. (Doesn't look it, but VERY close.)

So, I'll be the first to cast the "metabolic derangement" vote (or whatever it is that causes spontaneous depigmentation in snakes).

You need help on buying it or what though?

I don't think it looks like a fire. I'd say vanilla. I don't think it's a ghost either, because the colors look light pale, not really 'washed out' like a ghosts colors look. Ghosts tend to look more translucent.

Looks like a normal who lost pigment to me. Happens every now and then, no one knows why, although their are theories.

Does not look like a fire or desert ghost to me.

I am confused by your Question. When the person sent you the pics what did they say?

'Did this animal change color? If so I have seen this happen two times here. It takes a couple years for them to get their color back.

If they or you are asking what morph it is. There are several possibilities you would have to breed it to prove it out.

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Looks like a normal who lost pigment to me. Happens every now and then, no one knows why, although their are theories.

Does not look like a fire or desert ghost to me.

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LOL that is what I was thinking. My theory on the pigment loss here is bacterial.

Well I spoke with the person who has it in there possession and they got it from a local pet store where they are. The store got it from a "kid" who brought it in and had to get rid of it. The owner wants to sell it to me as a dink project snake. I've never seen anything like her myself. I've seen vanilla's and super's and she sorta looks like them but i'm not 100% sure.

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Well I spoke with the person who has it in there possession and they got it from a local pet store where they are. The store got it from a "kid" who brought it in and had to get rid of it. The owner wants to sell it to me as a dink project snake. I've never seen anything like her myself. I've seen vanilla's and super's and she sorta looks like them but i'm not 100% sure.

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Breed it. You will know then. But I would haggle on the price, thinking in the back of my mind, it could be a normal or something not genetic.

If I had to guess with the pic the way I see it on my computer. I would think vanilla. The dark marking don't seem light enough for a fire.

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LOL that is what I was thinking. My theory on the pigment loss here is bacterial.

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Interesting ... Care to elaborate? (I think I can see where you're going with that, but I'm curious as to your thought process ...)

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

Interesting ... Care to elaborate? (I think I can see where you're going with that, but I'm curious as to your thought process ...)

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There are two reasons that have brought me to this thought process. Have you ever noticed whenever you give a snake an antibiotic they will go into a shed cycle? Or when they get an infection, like belly rot?
The first time this happened I had a young female, say 200+ grams in a boot box, She either, did not eat or spit up her rat. I noticed it days later when the sides of the tub were brown. I thought she would die for sure because the cage was so bad. After getting everything all cleaned up, she looked fine but I watched her because the smell in the cage could not have been healthy. She went into a shed cycle and then another one right after. When she finished the second shed just a couple weeks after the nasty cage incident a she was white and black. It was the coolest thing I had ever seen. She is all grown up now and produced a clutch of babies this year, with the lesser platty. She looks relatively normal now, and the babies were all normal looking also. But it took 2 years for her to get all the color back.

The second time this happened was last year. I'm not so sure why it happened to this animal but again she shed out white and again she is slowly getting her normal colors back.

I'm leaning heavily towards vanilla.

I have a super bright vanilla young male, and this snake is what I imagine he'd look like as an adult. Goodness knows, genetic or not I'd jump all over that snake if I found it here. He's stunning.

Gale

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Super Vanilla?

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That was my first thought.

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There are two reasons that have brought me to this thought process. Have you ever noticed whenever you give a snake an antibiotic they will go into a shed cycle? Or when they get an infection, like belly rot?
The first time this happened I had a young female, say 200+ grams in a boot box, She either, did not eat or spit up her rat. I noticed it days later when the sides of the tub were brown. I thought she would die for sure because the cage was so bad. After getting everything all cleaned up, she looked fine but I watched her because the smell in the cage could not have been healthy. She went into a shed cycle and then another one right after. When she finished the second shed just a couple weeks after the nasty cage incident a she was white and black. It was the coolest thing I had ever seen. She is all grown up now and produced a clutch of babies this year, with the lesser platty. She looks relatively normal now, and the babies were all normal looking also. But it took 2 years for her to get all the color back.

The second time this happened was last year. I'm not so sure why it happened to this animal but again she shed out white and again she is slowly getting her normal colors back.

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I had a the exact same thing happen with a batch of fat mice -- several animals got steatorrhea (fatty, oily poop) after I stupidly fed them these gigantic retired-breeder mice with WAY too much body fat. :mad: One of the snakes was a young male who puked up the mouse, like yours did, and then shed out all of his color at his next shed cycle to become the coolest black and white.

I don't think that he had a bacterial infection, though; with that animal I was lucky enough to catch and clean him up immediately, so although the cage was very nasty for a few hours he wasn't sitting in it long enough to get septic. He also never showed any signs of systemic infection and ate just fine after that incident.

I do think it's metabolic in some way, though, at least in these cases ... I've heard more than one person say it's happened to their snake after a "bad" or fatty batch of rats, so I wonder if it may sometimes be related to a temporary lipemia ..? I can't for the life of me think of a mechanism though.

What baffles me about it is that it only seems to affect the lighter pigments in the pattern (browns/yellows -- pheomelanin, I believe) while sparing the black pigments (eumelanin). There must be something in the way these two different pigments are synthesized that might give us a clue ... :confused:

Hi,

i had a male too that looked like it, offspring looked normal (from who i bought he told me).

http://www.blausucht.de/images/tiere.../01-bock11.jpg

http://www.blausucht.de/images/tiere.../01-bock14.jpg

http://www.blausucht.de/images/tiere...s/01-bock2.jpg

I sold him because i don´t thought that he has potential.
Was a 2,5kg top eater... and very aggressive.
I think he was wild-caught and very old.
I had him a few months (bought him with a female i wanted).

Today i have more space and wish i hadn´t sold him. :(

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I had a the exact same thing happen with a batch of fat mice -- several animals got steatorrhea (fatty, oily poop) after I stupidly fed them these gigantic retired-breeder mice with WAY too much body fat. :mad: One of the snakes was a young male who puked up the mouse, like yours did, and then shed out all of his color at his next shed cycle to become the coolest black and white.

I don't think that he had a bacterial infection, though; with that animal I was lucky enough to catch and clean him up immediately, so although the cage was very nasty for a few hours he wasn't sitting in it long enough to get septic. He also never showed any signs of systemic infection and ate just fine after that incident.

I do think it's metabolic in some way, though, at least in these cases ... I've heard more than one person say it's happened to their snake after a "bad" or fatty batch of rats, so I wonder if it may sometimes be related to a temporary lipemia ..? I can't for the life of me think of a mechanism though.

What baffles me about it is that it only seems to affect the lighter pigments in the pattern (browns/yellows -- pheomelanin, I believe) while sparing the black pigments (eumelanin). There must be something in the way these two different pigments are synthesized that might give us a clue ... :confused:

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mmm, That is an interesting theory. We raise rats and mice. I have some mice that are strange and very fat (they are always the orange ones and they look like they are pg but they are not). When I find them I feed them off but I couldn't say if either of these two snakes ever had them and I have feed off way more than just two of these mice.

Yes it is only the browns/yellows sparing the black pigment. Since your regurgitated also. I wonder if it's not the feed, but the remaining stomach chemicals that did it. It is like they shed off more than the one layer of skin, striping the color out. IDK I think we hijacked this guys thread. :colbert:

It does seam to be a chemical imbalance that takes 1-2 years to come back.