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What will happen if I lower temps with a juvenile?
Hello,
I have 3 tanks side by side controlled by the same thermostat/heat tape.
2 of the 3 tanks have adults, the third has a 3 month old Bumblebee.
If I lower the night temps (in order to breed the adults) what will happen to the juvenile ball? Will she go gravid? I don’t want her to be egg bound - since she is very small.
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Re: What will happen if I lower temps with a juvenile?
u dont need to drop temps to breed, some people do to get them ready but a lot of people dont. at 3 months old she wont want to breed, and even if she was old enough and wanted to breed she wont become gravid if u dont introduce a male
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I have had success breeding with temperature changes, so I’d like to keep to my schedule.
ok, so I don't need to worry about her producing tiny infertile eggs?
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Re: What will happen if I lower temps with a juvenile?
Temps do not need to be dropped for breeding ball pythons :)
tiny infertile eggs? :rofl:
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Sooo..... if lowering temps isn't essential, then why do so many people recommend it? If I leave my temps consistent, will my snakes still do the nasty when I introduce them to one another?
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We never change temps. I just hatched out eggs, so yeah, they do the jiggy at regular temps.
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Re: What will happen if I lower temps with a juvenile?
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Originally Posted by rimelame
Sooo..... if lowering temps isn't essential, then why do so many people recommend it? If I leave my temps consistent, will my snakes still do the nasty when I introduce them to one another?
Uhh, I think people say to cool COLUBRIDs for breeding.... never heard about doing that for ball pythons though :O
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Re: What will happen if I lower temps with a juvenile?
The only way for your snake to have eggs would be to breed her. It is just like humans homie. If the temperature goes down girls aren't gunna start poppin out babies. They have to do the dirty first. :gj:
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Re: What will happen if I lower temps with a juvenile?
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Originally Posted by rimelame
Sooo..... if lowering temps isn't essential, then why do so many people recommend it? If I leave my temps consistent, will my snakes still do the nasty when I introduce them to one another?
Some of us have adult balls that never been bred so preparing them is what we call the cool down period. AND yes they should still do the nasty. If you cool them down, including the younger ones, they might go on a hunger strike and just not eat. So make sure the bee is in good health.
good luck
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Re: What will happen if I lower temps with a juvenile?
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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl
tiny infertile eggs? :rofl:
No need to laugh, plenty of reptiles produce infertile eggs (like chickens) even without introducing a male.
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I had the male and female together for almost 9 years... they never bread. This past year I lowered, then raised the temps - voila... eggs. So if lowering the temps isn't required, was it just a coincidence that they bread this year, and not the previous 8?
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Re: What will happen if I lower temps with a juvenile?
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Originally Posted by MikeV
Uhh, I think people say to cool COLUBRIDs for breeding.... never heard about doing that for ball pythons though :O
I have. Simulating seasons via temperature is a proven technique across many pythons species for improving successful clutch rates. Minimal seasonal changes of even just a 5 degree drop over 4 weeks can simulate a winter season enough to cause a statistical increase of breeding success.
It is not needed for ball pythons, or even most colubrid species, but it does work. You have to do it right and very carefully so as to not over-cool your animals.
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Re: What will happen if I lower temps with a juvenile?
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Originally Posted by mainbutter
I have. Simulating seasons via temperature is a proven technique across many pythons species for improving successful clutch rates. Minimal seasonal changes of even just a 5 degree drop over 4 weeks can simulate a winter season enough to cause a statistical increase of breeding success.
It is not needed for ball pythons, or even most colubrid species, but it does work. You have to do it right and very carefully so as to not over-cool your animals.
Well, you learn something new everyday right
So far ive only heard of cooling colubrids, but I guess it is not hard to imagine that you could imply the same "technique" to ball pythons
Thanks for correcting me on that :)
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In conclusion...
ok, so to wrap this up....
I am going to lower the temps, because I have had success doing so. I plan to take the hot spot from 90 down to 85 at nights from November the 1st through to December the 1st.
The Bumblebee juvi is in good health, so I'm going to risk her going on a hunger strike and see what happens.
If anyone is interested to know what happens with her, let me know, and I'll post an update to this in December to advise.
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Re: In conclusion...
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Originally Posted by rimelame
ok, so to wrap this up....
I am going to lower the temps, because I have had success doing so. I plan to take the hot spot from 90 down to 85 at nights from November the 1st through to December the 1st.
The Bumblebee juvi is in good health, so I'm going to risk her going on a hunger strike and see what happens.
If anyone is interested to know what happens with her, let me know, and I'll post an update to this in December to advise.
So you already know what happens when you drop temps?
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I THINK I know - if you wanna provide info. I'm all ears.
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