Platinum X ? = ?

I'm planning to get a Platinum and was wondering if anyone could answer some genetic questions about it. I want to cross the Platinum with other co-dom and recessive morphs but don't quite understand the 'hidden gene' allele. Here's what I'm thinking as an example......

Platinum X Bumblebee =
Killerbee
Lesser spider
Lesser pastel
spider
pastel
bumblebee het platty?
spider het platty?
pastel het platty?
het platty?
50% Poss het platty (normal looking)?

The ? are the ones that I'm not too sure about. Am I missing anything? I'm thinking that the platty will give one gene or the other (lesser or hidden) to each offspring so anything not lesser will have the hidden gene allele? Now recessive genetics with example.....

Platinum x Albino=

Lesser 100% Albino
DH platty albino?
Het platty?

Again, along the same lines of the platty giving one gene or the other. The het platty will come out as normals right? So if any normals are in the clutch....will it be 100% het platty's or just poss het platty's?

Let me know what you guys think. Thank you.

lesser platinum x bumblebee = lesser pastel spider (queen bee), lesser spider (lesser bee), lesser pastel, pastel spider (bumblebee), pastel, spider, lesser platinum, normal.
all can hatch whit the same probability.

lesser platinum x albino produce lesser platinum het albino and het albino

sorry i misunderstood your question, you're interested on platty daddy...

it isnt that hard. ralph crossed a platty x stingerbee this season. he wrote that everything that is not a lesser will be carry the het daddy gene.

if i understood that right, u get all the odds what u would get normally from these crosses, but all morphs that are not pure lessers carry the hidden gene.

thats basically it.

Basically anything you hatch that does NOT have the lesser gene, would be het for platty. So a lesser/spider/pastel would be just that, but a spider/pastel would carry the platty gene.

If you breed an actual Platinum to anything, you won't get any "normals" any "non lesser" will be het Platty. The only way you can get poss het Platinums is to breed lesser x het platinum. But otherwise it sounds like you have the genetics straight.

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Originally Posted by joe23

it isnt that hard. ralph crossed a platty x stingerbee this season. he wrote that everything that is not a lesser will be carry the het daddy gene.

if i understood that right, u get all the odds what u would get normally from these crosses, but all morphs that are not pure lessers carry the hidden gene.

thats basically it.

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Basically anything you hatch that does NOT have the lesser gene, would be het for platty. So a lesser/spider/pastel would be just that, but a spider/pastel would carry the platty gene.

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I thought Lessers didn't carry the Hidden gene either, but in this video Ralph bred a Platty Daddy to a Butter female and produced a Butter/Lesser Daddy...Maybe it had something to do with using a Platty... :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/ralphdavis#p/.../5/sHLJcGyuV1E

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

I thought Lessers didn't carry the Hidden gene either, but in this video Ralph bred a Platty Daddy to a Butter female and produced a Butter/Lesser Daddy...Maybe it had something to do with using a Platty... :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/ralphdavis#p/.../5/sHLJcGyuV1E

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Yep, the hatchling got the butter gene from the mother, and the hidden gene from the father.

we were fighting about that on a german forum. i always heard and read that lessers dont carry the hidden gene (even ralph said it to me personally in an email).

then the guy looked on his birthing record page and he had a clutch 06 (or so) where he breed a lesser to a platty and get plattys from that.

in a 2010 clutch from platty to stinger bee he wrote that everything in that clutch that is not a lesser, will carry the hidden gene.

that basically means that lessers cant carry that gene.

to get more fuel into my confusion i always see on nerds page that he sells hidden gene lessers for 750$ (but all lessers he sells as hidden gene lessers came from a breeding were a hg woma was involfed- so maybe theres more about the hg woma than we thought).

for me it was always clear that lessers dont carry the hidden gene.

to end all this debate on the german forum someone wrote ralph an email, but he didnt responsed to it till now.

i dont know, but for me lessers still cant carry the hidden gene.

from that clutches were he get plattys from butter/lesser to platty daddy, i thought that they were maybe be paired with a het daddy last year and they saved the sperm and used it for this clutch (we have a real word for it, but i dont think u would understand that- hope u get what i mean)

in the video he says- when u breed a platty to a clown, u will get double hets. normals that are het for platty and het for clown (thats the one we are looking for). then we get lesser that are just het for clown.

so he says that the lessers dont carry the hidden gene. but how in hell would u get plattys from breeding a platty to a butter?

it just doesnt add up. the butter maybe really save the sperms from the last breedeing season or so.

otherwise it doesnt make sense to me...

i got another idea. maybe they arent plattys. but he thought from the look. and in the end they were lessers (or butters) like these lesser:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kXD-FQbJgQ

i think it must have been looked much brighter as babies

Hi,

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but how in hell would u get plattys from breeding a platty to a butter?

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Surely if you consider that lessers and butters might be the same gene and are definately on the same location it only makes sense that breeding a platty to a butter could give you a platty - it would just have the butter version of the gene instead of the lesser version.

The platty parent can either pass down a lesser gene or a daddy gene, the butter can only pass down a butter gene or a normal gene.

Anything that gets the butter gene from the butter and the daddy gene from the platty would be a "butter daddy" or whatever.

Basically there should be four possible outcomes from a platty x butter pairing.

Lessers ( got the normal gene from the butter and the lesser from the platty )
Butter daddies [ the butter version of a platty ] (got the daddy gene from the platty and the butter gene from the butter )
Blue eyed lucy's ( got the lesser gene from the platty and the butter gene from the butter )
Het dadies ( normal gene from the butter and daddy gene from the platty )

I think that makes sense.

And I have no clue what the hidden gene is in NERDs HG lessers. :oops:


But I wouldn't half mind finding out. :rofl: :rofl:


dr del

Exactly what I was thinking Dr. Del. If the butters/lessers are genetically the same type of morph (different line), then it would absolutely be possible for Ralph to hatch a butter daddy in a butter x platty pairing.

Doesn't a lesser have a lesser and normal gene? Basically if you put a lesser x lesser, you would get BEL, lesser and normals right?

So......Lesser x Platty = Platty (lesser gene and platty gene), BEL (lesser gene from lesser and lesser gene from platty), Lesser (normal gene from lesser to lesser gene in platty), het platty (normal gene from lesser and platty gene from platty)

What about recessive genes.....
Platty x Albino = Lesser 100% Albino (lesser gene from platty and albino gene), Normals DH platty albino (het platty gene from platty and het albino gene from albino).

So...a platty x lesser het albino = platty PH albino (platty gene from platty and lesser and poss het albino gene from lesser), BEL PH albino (lesser gene from platty and lesser gene poss het albino gene from lesser), Normals 100% het platty 50% PH albinos (het platty gene from platty and poss het albino from lesser)

And the dream pairing would be....lesser het albino x DH platty albino = ??????

Gosh, my brain is definitely mush now....