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when to cut and when not to cut
its been day 58 in the incubator. i have 5 eggs . dont know if any are living , 4 are pretty plump. should i wait
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I would just candle the eggs. You'll know if they're not alive anymore because there wouldn't be red veins. There will be some movement in there too by this time, but sometimes they're just chilling, they don't move. So, as long as the red veins are present, I would just wait for the first pip. It should be very soon!
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What temp are you incubating at?
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by zman
its been day 58 in the incubator. i have 5 eggs . dont know if any are living , 4 are pretty plump. should i wait
They should have started to dimple by now.I cut at day 52 but thats me :P
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by llovelace
What temp are you incubating at?
keeping the temp pretty solid 89 % fighting humidity though , i just seem to cant get it high enough
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by anatess
I would just candle the eggs. You'll know if they're not alive anymore because there wouldn't be red veins. There will be some movement in there too by this time, but sometimes they're just chilling, they don't move. So, as long as the red veins are present, I would just wait for the first pip. It should be very soon!
its so hard to tell , i tried to use a flashlite. but i couldnt see through the eggs . they seem very thick
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Without knowing your incubation temp no one can help you.
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by J.Vandegrift
Without knowing your incubation temp no one can help you.
its 89%
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by zman
its so hard to tell , i tried to use a flashlite. but i couldnt see through the eggs . they seem very thick
Use a small LED flashlight and put the flashlight flush against the shell. The inside of the egg should glow except for the part where the snake is - and this would be a dark mass.
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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its 89%
Isn't it the humidity?
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
on day 58 if humidity was low your egtgs would not still be "plump"
Mine always start to dimple in around day 45.
I also cut on day 52 and incubate at 88.5 to 90.5
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by Dave86
Isn't it the humidity?
no thats the inside temp on the incubator , the humity is low had a hard time getting the humidity up ,
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by anatess
Use a small LED flashlight and put the flashlight flush against the shell. The inside of the egg should glow except for the part where the snake is - and this would be a dark mass.
hey i just checked the eggs , i put the flash lite right on the eggs 4 out of 5 have veins . the one id dimpled pretty good , didnt see anything in that one . the viens were red looking is that good how long should i wait till i decide to cut them . whats the longest should i wait .
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by zman
hey i just checked the eggs , i put the flash lite right on the eggs 4 out of 5 have veins . the one id dimpled pretty good , didnt see anything in that one . the viens were red looking is that good how long should i wait till i decide to cut them . whats the longest should i wait .
Usually, people play it safe and cut all the eggs when the first snake pip. But, if you're worried, you can cut it now. Just realize there are risks involved in cutting eggs - most especially contamination, drying out, etc. But, it could also save a problem egg. So, it's really up to you at this point.
We didn't try to cut eggs until day 60 - but only because the mother abandoned the eggs (maternal incubation) and we were very worried something had happened to them that we can't see through the candling. I regretted doing it. We had more problems with them cut than if we just left them alone. We cut the eggs wrong. But, that's just my opinion and I'm no expert by any means.
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by anatess
Usually, people play it safe and cut all the eggs when the first snake pip. But, if you're worried, you can cut it now. Just realize there are risks involved in cutting eggs - most especially contamination, drying out, etc. But, it could also save a problem egg. So, it's really up to you at this point.
We didn't try to cut eggs until day 60 - but only because the mother abandoned the eggs (maternal incubation) and we were very worried something had happened to them that we can't see through the candling. I regretted doing it. We had more problems with them cut than if we just left them alone. We cut the eggs wrong. But, that's just my opinion and I'm no expert by any means.
well its day 57 i dbl counted , i might wait till tomarrow . im going to be away for the wkend , ok the eggs are stuck all together i saw in a video on you tube a guy pulling them apart gentley . if i cut should i leave them in the sealed container in the vermiculite . in the incubator . till they start moving on thier own
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by zman
well its day 57 i dbl counted , i might wait till tomarrow . im going to be away for the wkend , ok the eggs are stuck all together i saw in a video on you tube a guy pulling them apart gentley . if i cut should i leave them in the sealed container in the vermiculite . in the incubator . till they start moving on thier own
how do i clean up the babbies in the eggs , someone on here told me to put them on wet or damp news paper , i have a another aquariam , should i set it up with a heat lamp and water
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by anatess
Usually, people play it safe and cut all the eggs when the first snake pip. But, if you're worried, you can cut it now. Just realize there are risks involved in cutting eggs - most especially contamination, drying out, etc. But, it could also save a problem egg. So, it's really up to you at this point.
We didn't try to cut eggs until day 60 - but only because the mother abandoned the eggs (maternal incubation) and we were very worried something had happened to them that we can't see through the candling. I regretted doing it. We had more problems with them cut than if we just left them alone. We cut the eggs wrong. But, that's just my opinion and I'm no expert by any means.
can i cut the eggs then put them in the other aquarium and leave them in a open tube to go out on their own
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by zman
can i cut the eggs then put them in the other aquarium and leave them in a open tube to go out on their own
If you cut the eggs DO NOT remove the snake from the egg. Leave them in the egg and they will come out after the yolk is absorbed. I would put a bottle of water in the incubator and let it warm up to incubation temp so you can add water if the eggs start drying out before the snake come out of the egg.
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by zues
If you cut the eggs DO NOT remove the snake from the egg. Leave them in the egg and they will come out after the yolk is absorbed. I would put a bottle of water in the incubator and let it warm up to incubation temp so you can add water if the eggs start drying out before the snake come out of the egg.
ok thanks for the info . im going to wait atleast till tomarrow probally , if i do cut the eggs how long does it take for them to come out
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You sound pretty new to this. The best advice would be to not cut them at all and let them come out on their own IMO. When they hatch set them up just like your adults but use a damp paper towel as a subtrate instead of whatever you use for your adults.
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by zman
ok thanks for the info . im going to wait atleast till tomarrow probally , if i do cut the eggs how long does it take for them to come out
After you cut the eggs, they will usually stay like that for a day or two, sometimes more. Leave them in the incubator in the egg box. If you don't have holes in your egg tub, you might want to puncture two small holes on the lid. Then you should see them start to poke their heads out of the coil. They are breathing air at this point. Leave them alone some more until they crawl completely out of the eggs - this usually takes another day or two. When they're completely out, they will usually not have any yolk left, you can throw out the egg, clean out the snake (you can use the water you put in the incubator to wash out him out) and transfer the snake to a small tub (a 6 qt is ideal) with moist paper towels for substrate. The small tub should be set up with the proper heat gradient of 90 on hot side, 80 on cool side. You can put all of the snakes in the clutch in this one tub or if you already have all the tubs, you can separate them out too. After about a week or so, they should start to shed. Put each snake into individual tubs after shed if you haven't yet. You should be able to start feeding them a fuzzy at this point.
My suggestion is, after you cut the eggs, take a picture of all of them and post it on this forum. There are several things that can possibly go wrong - like wrapped umbilicus, etc - that the experts here can identify very quick. They can help you deal with these kinds of things as you go along. Keep taking pictures and posting them at every stage so they can help.
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by anatess
After you cut the eggs, they will usually stay like that for a day or two, sometimes more. Leave them in the incubator in the egg box. If you don't have holes in your egg tub, you might want to puncture two small holes on the lid. Then you should see them start to poke their heads out of the coil. They are breathing air at this point. Leave them alone some more until they crawl completely out of the eggs - this usually takes another day or two. When they're completely out, they will usually not have any yolk left, you can throw out the egg, clean out the snake (you can use the water you put in the incubator to wash out him out) and transfer the snake to a small tub (a 6 qt is ideal) with moist paper towels for substrate. The small tub should be set up with the proper heat gradient of 90 on hot side, 80 on cool side. You can put all of the snakes in the clutch in this one tub or if you already have all the tubs, you can separate them out too. After about a week or so, they should start to shed. Put each snake into individual tubs after shed if you haven't yet. You should be able to start feeding them a fuzzy at this point.
My suggestion is, after you cut the eggs, take a picture of all of them and post it on this forum. There are several things that can possibly go wrong - like wrapped umbilicus, etc - that the experts here can identify very quick. They can help you deal with these kinds of things as you go along. Keep taking pictures and posting them at every stage so they can help.
thanks for all the info
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by anatess
After you cut the eggs, they will usually stay like that for a day or two, sometimes more. Leave them in the incubator in the egg box. If you don't have holes in your egg tub, you might want to puncture two small holes on the lid. Then you should see them start to poke their heads out of the coil. They are breathing air at this point. Leave them alone some more until they crawl completely out of the eggs - this usually takes another day or two. When they're completely out, they will usually not have any yolk left, you can throw out the egg, clean out the snake (you can use the water you put in the incubator to wash out him out) and transfer the snake to a small tub (a 6 qt is ideal) with moist paper towels for substrate. The small tub should be set up with the proper heat gradient of 90 on hot side, 80 on cool side. You can put all of the snakes in the clutch in this one tub or if you already have all the tubs, you can separate them out too. After about a week or so, they should start to shed. Put each snake into individual tubs after shed if you haven't yet. You should be able to start feeding them a fuzzy at this point.
My suggestion is, after you cut the eggs, take a picture of all of them and post it on this forum. There are several things that can possibly go wrong - like wrapped umbilicus, etc - that the experts here can identify very quick. They can help you deal with these kinds of things as you go along. Keep taking pictures and posting them at every stage so they can help.
i have them in a small tube with press and seal inbetween the container and lid to keep the humidity up , should i take it off for the next few day so they can dimple a little . the 4 of the 5 eggs are round and full . in case ihave to cut . tomarrow is day 60
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If you are going away for the weekend then cut when you get back if they have not piped yet. You will want to be able to check on them after cutting. You can put a hole at each end of the tub to allow air flow(Gundy's method) as the babies will need air after pipping!
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
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Originally Posted by zman
i have them in a small tube with press and seal inbetween the container and lid to keep the humidity up , should i take it off for the next few day so they can dimple a little . the 4 of the 5 eggs are round and full . in case ihave to cut . tomarrow is day 60
Remove the press and seal. The lid on your egg box is not air tight so you will be fine. I would say that if you are going out of town for a few days to let them be untill you get home. Far more can go wrong after you cut them and you will not be there to check on them. Are you expecting normals or morphs from this clutch?
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Re: when to cut and when not to cut
This is good info. Thanks.
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