Male burm VS Female RTB

First off, I had a thread in general herp but I couldnt decide what to pick (was "ideas to fill a 6' x 2' x 2'")

so ive narrowed it down to Female RTB and Male Burm, I am myself going more towards male burm because I love thier pattern

but I was wondering, how big do they get weight wise? Mark said they average at 8 - 12 feet. But how heavy do they get? will it be like 20 - 50 pounds like a RTB or heavier?

Poll is up for the community to help me choose which one to pick

well a male burm will get a tad bit longer and a good bit heavier than a female RTB BCC (If you are talking BCI then a burm is MUCH bigger). I too prefer the pattern of the burms but if you are worried about size then I would go with a female RTB BCI, your looking more around 8 ft with that and not as girthy. But if you are looking for a big snake then I would go with a male burm or a male retic, your looking probably around 4-5 ft more for a male Retic but retics are significantly skinnier than burms so in my opinion easier to handle. But burms do tend to be a little more laid back and lazy than retics so if you are planning on trying to keep your snake in your lap when he/she is bigger, a burm would be more likely to just chill. Retics like to "investigate" everything haha. So it would be a workout to keep them in one spot.

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Originally Posted by cstruthers

well a male burm will get a tad bit longer and a good bit heavier than a female RTB BCC (If you are talking BCI then a burm is MUCH bigger). I too prefer the pattern of the burms but if you are worried about size then I would go with a female RTB BCI, your looking more around 8 ft with that and not as girthy. But if you are looking for a big snake then I would go with a male burm or a male retic, your looking probably around 4-5 ft more for a male Retic but retics are significantly skinnier than burms so in my opinion easier to handle. But burms do tend to be a little more laid back and lazy than retics so if you are planning on trying to keep your snake in your lap when he/she is bigger, a burm would be more likely to just chill. Retics like to "investigate" everything haha. So it would be a workout to keep them in one spot.

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How heavy of a burm are we talking?

and yeah I was thinking of a Female BCI, not BCC. I am far to poor to buy a BCC lol

Im not afraid to handle anything from 8 - 14 feet. I will ALWAYS buy baby's of the snakes I want (example.. buying a baby male burm.. or baby female BCI) So they would be extremely hand tame by the time they are big

I devot a lot of handling time to my animals. I let my leo roam and get out of her tub for 10 minutes every day and she LOVES it.

so devoting an extra 10 - 30 minutes for a snake wont be so bad

By heavier are we talking.... 100 pound 8 - 12 foot burm? Or is it more like 50 pounds or lower?

I cant seem to find a good weight range for burms

(also yeah retic is not a good choice for me, a lil to big and they are to squirrley, id preffer a snake that will just chill)

Trent at Albino Burmese has a male albino burm which is 14'-16' I believe and 120+ pounds.

An 8'-12' Male burm over 100lbs is in my opinion, extremely obese. I've seen plenty like that as burms typically with eat anything and everything you throw their way. But I'd say closer to 50 is more normal and healthier for the snake.

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Originally Posted by AjBalls

Trent at Albino Burmese has a male albino burm which is 14'-16' I believe and 120+ pounds.

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Jesus :o thats what scares me away from getting one

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Originally Posted by MarkS

An 8'-12' Male burm over 100lbs is in my opinion, extremely obese. I've seen plenty like that as burms typically with eat anything and everything you throw their way. But I'd say closer to 50 is more normal and healthier for the snake.

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Ah, so its probably safe to say the snake Ajballs is reffering to is a extremely large and unusual one?

Male burms, in my experience tend to remain under 12 feet, but that isn't to say that you won't get an exceptional animal. A healthy 12' burm should also be WELL UNDER 100 pounds.

I love burms, and having owned many BCIs and many burms I prefer the burms.

My advice is to get the burm. They are great animals. If you don't power feed him, he should grow at a manageable rate and to a manageable size.

A good feed schedule is one suitable sized prey item every week. Burms, for the most part, are garbage disposals. They will eat and eat and eat and eat and they will use all that food to grow mega fast if you let them. However, one suitable sized prey item every 7 days is not detrimental to the animal. You're not going to be starving him and he will be healthier in the long run.

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Originally Posted by tomfromtheshade

Male burms, in my experience tend to remain under 12 feet, but that isn't to say that you won't get an exceptional animal. A healthy 12' burm should also be WELL UNDER 100 pounds.

I love burms, and having owned many BCIs and many burms I prefer the burms.

My advice is to get the burm. They are great animals. If you don't power feed him, he should grow at a manageable rate and to a manageable size.

A good feed schedule is one suitable sized prey item every week. Burms, for the most part, are garbage disposals. They will eat and eat and eat and eat and they will use all that food to grow mega fast if you let them. However, one suitable sized prey item every 7 days is not detrimental to the animal. You're not going to be starving him and he will be healthier in the long run.

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Thanks!

I am pretty much almost sold on the burm. They arent that much more expensive than BCI's so I think im gonna go for it :)

Thanks for the tip on feeding, I had a plan that if I got one (which would be a baby) that I would feed it every 5 days until it was older, but instead 7 days sounds a lot better.

Besides, I think every 5 days is edging on power feeding lol!

Thanks!

I think im going to declare it...

Burm wins lol!

Awww :( RTB should have won I think hehe

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Originally Posted by smoffler

Awww :( RTB should have won I think hehe

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Lol, they are really amazing snakes and all but I like the bigger size and amazing pattern of the burm

In the future I am planning on getting a RTB BCC :)

Well

it appears the RTB BCI is the only option (besides some carpet pythons)

All this time I was so hyped "oh yay im gonna get another snake yaym burm or RTB" I didnt check my laws

It appears the law is.. no snake over 10 foot.

I asked on reptiles canada "no snake over 10 foot.. so does that mean a burm male under 10 foot is okay?"

and everybody said no, That the law was there specially for burms and retics.

So... :tears: no burm

But I will be looking at several larger snakes, like the bredli carpet python, jungle, astal, and RTB.


Proabably going to go with the RTB though, they are the perfect size for me and everything

so RTB wins by default

I feel like an idiot lol.. next time I gotta check my bylaws more thoroughly

BCI RTB sounds like your best choice. Im gonna get a Motley pair as soon as breeding starts paying off.

don't feel bad my state law is nothing over 8 foot but city law says nothing over 6 in city limits

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Originally Posted by MikeV

Lol, they are really amazing snakes and all but I like the bigger size and amazing pattern of the burm

In the future I am planning on getting a RTB BCC :)

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I Would have to vote on the BCC. You can find Surinames for around $200 and a Nice Peruvian in the $275 area. They dont get as big as a Burm but IMO they are breathtaking and still have a good size:D

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Originally Posted by MikeV

I am pretty much almost sold on the burm. They arent that much more expensive than BCI's so I think im gonna go for it :)
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not trying to be the nay-sayer here but im gladd your goin with the bci only because the houseing/feeding bill for a burm would be FAR more expensive then any bcc. a nice albino i think goes for 200+ and granites around me are 125 thats nothing compared to the 500 dollar cage (nless u build your own) and the vet bills lol.. gotta make sure u even have a vet willing to see a 8-12 foot 50-80lb snake lol its not easy.

good choice on the boa tho they are fantastic snakes i almost bought one but am more of a python kinda guy

If your going to get a Male Burm & keep it for the whole of its life (which i hope) expect it to get 15ft+.

Daniel

My uncle had a male burm that got to a full 15 feet and weighed in at a whopping 140 pounds (he wasn't even fat, he was in great shape for a burm!)

This was ON RATS. The burm refused to eat rabbits, so he had to have several rats at every meal. And trust me, my uncle tried his hardest to switch him.

Weight can be relative to the snake. It always was a chore moving Jake around, even if he was puppy-dog tame and not even head shy. He just had a whole lot of weight on him!

Whats BCI and BCC mean? sorry I'm also looking into the same thing as Mike I am taking a Herp care class at DMACC so i can have a snake over 6'...but state says not over 12' I'm thinking a Boa anyway I had one but he was so aggressive from being mistreated, never taken out and underfed... that I gave up and gave him to a breeder he was a regular RTB named him Diamond for the Diamond pattern down the side

Boa constrictor imperator and boa constrictor constrictor. True red tail boas are BCCs--they are bigger, their tails are known to be redder, and they look a little different. Colombian "red tail boas" are also known as 'common boas' and are BCIs. There are some visual differences and size differences, but they are often confused for each other! :)

Thank you "ya know what? I learned something today" really thank you I had a Columbian before so it was a BCI... which would be a "Lap kitty" BCI or BCC i know it takes a lot of handling and attention to get them there but I want a Burmese attitude but smaller than 12 foot (state law)

Last I checked, Burms are 100% legal in Ontario. Ontario, in fact, has no laws against big snakes, just, British Columbia last time I looked into it. Is it a municipal by-law?

oh yeah just called Game and wildlife commission, had a class with the guy from Animal Plastics cages, the DNR and the biggest breeder of Burms that i know of and they said Iowa Reptile Rescue's statement that there is a 12 foot maximum state limit is a farce and one of officials in my certification class for big snakes said that there is only the law that bans african rock pythons and reticulated... So bring on the Burmese!!!!

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Originally Posted by MikeV

I am far to poor to buy a BCC lol

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I would not suggest really big snakes then. Big snakes = big expenses.

Don't forget to consider a dwarf reticulated python or carpet pythons!

have you ever put any thought into a blood python? they can get up to 8 feet or so and they are meaty snakes. just a thought :). cheers

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Originally Posted by decensored

have you ever put any thought into a blood python? they can get up to 8 feet or so and they are meaty snakes. just a thought :). cheers

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Yeah but their not So predicable and not as great to handle unless you spend a serious amount of time with it from the time it hatches, and I still wouldn't trust it then. Just my opinion, I have one and I've spent almost a year buggin this snake everyday Nd I still can't handle her without gloves lol.

Altho they are absolutely stunning looking.