What the heck is that???? NEW MORPH?

So this clutch is from one of our Pewter het Pieds bred back to his Pewter Mother. I'm not quite sure what a couple of the neos are at this point and was hoping I could get some help. I'm not going to bother posting a pic of the actual sire of the clutch because he looks like any other Pewter with a little less orange/yellow.

Grand Dam
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ns/pewter1.jpg

Grandd Sire
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...hons/pied1.jpg

The CLUTCH.......
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9937.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9942.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9941.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9940.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9938.jpg
What the heck is this one?
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9943.jpg
Next to a screaming Pewter for comparison.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9944.jpg
Paradox Super Pewter?, Silver Bullet, and ???????
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9947.jpg
Really nice Super Pastel
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9949.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9950.jpg
Mystery
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9955.jpg
Clutch
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9954.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9953.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF9952.jpg

Any thoughts or ideas are appreciated. More to come in the next few weeks. Thanks for looking!

Those are hottt!! :gj::gj:

I have no idea, but I am in love with that spotted one... I would pay big money to put that in my collection, ha ha.

I need a closer look, feel free to ship them to me :)

Not sure about the one with the stripe... But I'm pretty sure that is a super pewter with either just black spots or paradox.

wow im gonna make some guesses im not very good at this but here we go
pewter
pewter pied
silverbullets?
super pastel?
and either those two darker ones r cinnys or on cinny one normal either way they got alot going for them in their pattern thats amazing i want one dont care which one just one

sterling pastels maybe parodoxed

If I had to guess I'd say a Super Pewter..

Definitely no Piebald in the mix.....though they are 50% pos. het Pied. The Pewter Pied was posted last week.

Thanks everyone! It's really a guess at this point. I think there is something else going on with the female Pewter. Even my 08 Pastel het Pied she produced looks a little odd. Her eggs are due soon. A couple more chances at cool things to hatch. I'll post when the stork arrives.

Thanks again.

it looks exactly like how I would imagine a "no white" pied/super pastel/cinny to look, but if only 1 of the parents is het pied... i donno.

sweet looking clutch anyways

Seriously cool clutch no matter what they turn out to be. :D

I have a kidney I don't need, would you consider a trade for that paradox ? :D

I have no idea what that baby is, but lordy I'd love to hatch a clutch like that.

Gale

man thats cool. after some bad clutches this season u really deserved these clutches.
i know, i said it on the petwer pied clutch as well, so now u have to stop being so lucky...lol

honestly i have no idea what it is, but im pretty much 100% sure it has nothing to do with pieds.

i guess u have to figure that out the long way. these days are crazy. look at the striated ball that hatched from a black eyed lucy x fire clutch...

anyway- congrats on hatching such a nice group. i would keep every one of em...lol

greetings from germany

joe

I don't know because I'm not good with genetics and morphs. However, what I do know is that entire clutch is AMAZING. I could only imagine hatching all those different snakes. :)

Congrats!

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Originally Posted by llovelace

i need a closer look, feel free to ship them to me :)

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nice

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If I had to guess I'd say a Super Pewter..

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Exactly, they resemble super pewters all the way. And paradox at that

Well the Paradox snake is a Super Pewter. Congrats on hitting the 1:16 odds. The other snake with the neck stripe is a toss up. Looks super pewterish also but with a little to much color and not enough pattern to be called a Sterling Pastel. I would have expected to see more Sterlings in the clutch but you never know what you will get. Something could be going on with your female and the snake that has the neck stripe is from her genes. Anyways nice snakes and congrats on the good odds.

Matt

What a sweet clutch!

want want and want. congratulations, the ball python gods have smiled upon you.:)

Brandon, that is an amazing clutch! I would agree with others that the splotchy one is a paradox super pewter . . . . and it is sensational. :D I think the one with the neck stripe is also a super pewter, but may have something else going on from the mom.

Congrats

I have no clue what that is, but it sure is smoking hot!

wow i can only wish ......that clutch is so awesome :D...i can help you identify just send them to my via fed ex and ill let you know what i come up with lol

check this list it might be on it somewhere

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

Could this be what a super pastel/ super cinnamon looks like? definitely cool looking

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Could this be what a super pastel/ super cinnamon looks like? definitely cool looking

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that would be a super pewter...

Very interesting clutch Brandon! Like some others have said, I believe you could have two super pewters there - one paradox, and another with pattern leaking through (I guess you could say a different form of paradox). They all look great, congrats!

sweet clutch you got there, congrats;)

Truly awesome :rolleye2

Thanks everyone! I've been quite lucky this season. The first Pewter Pied and now this. I'm still thinking there may be something else going on. I've been told by a few people there looks to be YB in the mix....and I'm ok with it.

Thanks again!

That's a freakin' awesome clutch.
Congrats man! :gj:

fader gene silverstreak?

Amazing clutch! I am so filled with want and desire that it hurts!

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fader gene silverstreak?

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Any info on the fader gene?

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Any info on the fader gene?

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give greg graziani a shout, he appears to be the best one to ask
i believe it's similar to super pastel v super duper pastel - both are super pastels, yet are totally different
it's all still a bit new at the mo

Wow :O first of all congrats on the amazing clutch. Secondly I have NO idea what the spotted one is other than hot and adorable all at the same time. I LOVE HIM!!! I just want to let you know....I do have an open bin right now....I could ...ahhhh.....ssssnake sit:confused::P:P

Thanks again everyone! I'll post new pics after they have shed. More cool stuff to see now.

wow! cant wait to see new pics.

Amazing clutch, all stunners! :D

Absolutely amazing beautiful clutch and i am jealous. I recently saw a pic of a BP called a Mystic, it was a light pastel purpleish. Maybe ?

Hey Brandon,
Do you have post-shed pic's of these yet? From the pre-shed pic's I'm leaning towards the stripey one being silver bullet het pied. Many of the cinnamon and black pastels have very strong dorsal striping when they are het for pied and I'll guess that is what is showing up on that particular snake. I hope you've got time to put up some post-shed pic's. Thanks!
- Paul

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Hey Brandon,
Do you have post-shed pic's of these yet? From the pre-shed pic's I'm leaning towards the stripey one being silver bullet het pied. Many of the cinnamon and black pastels have very strong dorsal striping when they are het for pied and I'll guess that is what is showing up on that particular snake. I hope you've got time to put up some post-shed pic's. Thanks!
- Paul

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Thanks Paul. I'll probably just hold on to that one and try to figure it out. I didn't consider it being a Silver Bullet because all the Bullets I've seen have been completely patternless. This snake in person is nearly white with a touch of silver/gray on the head and tail. Even the Super Pastel and one of the Cinnies has a different look. I'll get new pics up tomorrow.