what do you think of these pastels?

what do you think of these? how much do you think they should be worth, and which ones better in your opinion? i like the pattern on the left, but the one on the right seems brighter? tell me which ones you like and why.
oh.. and would these guys dark out when they get older? thanks.

http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/a...m01/pastel.jpg

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Price really depends on if they are male or female. Personally, I would pass on both unless they were females and the price ridiculously low. They both are a little too dark for my liking.

Both will most likely brown out - there's not a bit of gray in their heads, they're more brown.

Neither are animals I would personally choose for my collection. I'd call them "pet quality".

I would pass also based on the amount of brown already towards the top of the yellow

theyre males..
is 50 bucks a reasonable price? for them?

but just asking...
IF u had to choose from those two...
which would it be?

I personally thought they looked like most pastels, and look great. I mean granted I'm sure there are some out there that are more unique, but still nice in my opinion with an average pastel look. If those were mine, and you offered me 50 bucks I'd tell you to take a walk lol. I would say 75 bucks for a male, and 125 for a female is fair.

All pastels brown out with age, and none really keep that crazy yellow complexion. Its still yellow, but kinda has a brownish looks to it as well. The sides of the pastel should remain very yellow though. Most pastels I've seen all look the same for the most part. Again, your going to get the odd one, but these TO ME exude more then "pet quality." Just my 2 cents.

** I would choose the one on the right being that hes more yellow **

Figured I would show my pastel just to show you how they brown out. Mine looked a lot like the one on the right in terms of color. Heres how he turned out

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...n/101_0489.jpg

Also...In case your looking to breed here are his offspring.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/...n/101_0658.jpg

If you like the snake buy it simple as that. Mine was "pet quality" but made some beautiful babies. So just goes to show how much that matters.

I like the one on the right, it has a nice amount of blushing and is a bit brighter of yellow than the other one. They will most likely brown out as they get older, but I think the one on the right will be nicer as it gets older, but neither are what I would pick for breeders.

thanks alot

No offense but if it was me I would honestly pass on both and wait till something better comes along, I am picky and select my animals VERY carefully.

They are both already quite dark for their age/size and will more than likely be dark adult which to me is not appealing.

Anyway since I am not you, it's up to YOU to make your decision, just remember patience always pays off

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Originally Posted by Animals As Leaders

I personally thought they looked like most pastels, and look great.

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It's unfortunate that more breeders aren't breeding the basic morphs through selective breeding and that these are the examples of what "most" pastels look like these days.

These examples from selective breeding and what pastels "should" look like, IMHO:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...l/IMG_6266.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/DSC01622.jpg

those are beautiful pastels!. i like both patterns and id more more than 50 for them. wether they are dark or not, the potential for selective breeding is still there.

nice snakes!

I would choose the one on the right because the brighter pastel will hold the colour longer!

It really depends...

I hope this is not taken in the wrong way but both look like low quality pastels.
A good rule of thumb to remember when breeding pastels and examining the offspring is that ORANGE leads to brown out. Truth is with all pastels their is a deff sign of browning with a few exceptions. I dont care what most others say about this.

As I was reading threw this thread someone mentioned about selective breeding of pastels and I completely agree. You see to many times these days people are just jumping into pastels because of their low cost and just throwing them together and creating more brown pastels to the point where pastels are not even pastels anymore other than the gene factors.

It is truly sad to me being that unlike most people I really like pastels over many of the morphs people are working with today and they are dwindling down hill becasue of lack of knowledge in selective breeding. Not saying this about you but just in general as I have watched the quality of pastels head straight down hill in the last few months.

As far as pastels go you can read this link below and I hope this will help with many of the pastel problems and questions out their when breeding for quality and not quantity...

http://www.donkayereptiles.com/pastels.html

as far as price goes I would say 50-65 is fair do to the amount of brown in the animals now it is only going to increase dramatically in the end.
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Originally Posted by rabernet

It's unfortunate that more breeders aren't breeding the basic morphs through selective breeding and that these are the examples of what "most" pastels look like these days.

These examples from selective breeding and what pastels "should" look like, IMHO:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...l/IMG_6266.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/DSC01622.jpg

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totally agree with you
i was being rushy.
i will be purchasing a bright lemon pastel

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Originally Posted by davidyun

totally agree with you
i was being rushy.
i will be purchasing a bright lemon pastel

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The second picture that I posted is a lemon pastel that I produced 2 years ago.