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pastel with normal?...

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  • 08-19-2010, 09:33 PM
    baxter1209
    pastel with normal?...
    what will come out if you breed a pastel with a normal bp?? please reply!! :)
  • 08-19-2010, 09:42 PM
    Kaorte
    50% pastel and 50% normal
  • 08-19-2010, 09:43 PM
    binknit
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    Pastels and normals.:gj:
  • 08-19-2010, 09:46 PM
    JLC
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    Although there's no guarantee that you'll get pastels....OR normals. The thing to remember is that you have a CHANCE to hatch out pastels. You could have a clutch that is 50/50...or 100/0 or 0/100...or anything in between.
  • 08-19-2010, 09:47 PM
    ericeod
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    I'm sorry I can't reply with a confident answer, but here are two sites on ball Python genetics that I've been studying, as well as an explanation on what I've learned:

    Markus Jayne Ball Python Genetics

    Ball Boutique Inc. Genetics 101

    In the Markus Jayne Genetics 101 section, it states:
    Quote:

    In a codominant or incompletely dominant mutation (there is a technical difference and debate continues on which is correct for certain ball python morphs) the one mutant copy in a heterozygous animal produces a visible mutant phenotype but the homozygous mutant version is a different (usually more extreme) phenotype. A heterozygous for pastel genotype ball python has the pastel mutant phenotype but a homozygous for pastel genotype ball has the super pastel phenotype.
    So a Pastel would be under the Codominant section in the first link which shows that breeding a Heterozygous ball to a normal results in a 50/50 for Paste/Normal.

    http://egore.webs.com/-%20New%20Folder/HetXNormal.jpg

    Sorry if I am way off in my findings, I am very new to this. But I figured the resources would help.
  • 08-19-2010, 10:05 PM
    baxter1209
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    what about pastel breed with pastel?
  • 08-19-2010, 10:12 PM
    SnakeKB
    You then get super pastels, pastels, and normals. If you breed 2 super pastels, you should get all pastels from what ive read. I havnt had my snakes long enough to breed to find any of this out yet.
  • 08-19-2010, 10:19 PM
    ericeod
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by baxter1209 View Post
    what about pastel breed with pastel?

    Using the same Codominant section, you can see you will have a chance for the following: 50% Pastel
    25% Super pastel
    25% normal
  • 08-19-2010, 10:25 PM
    JLC
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SnakeKB View Post
    You then get super pastels, pastels, and normals. If you breed 2 super pastels, you should get all pastels from what ive read. I havnt had my snakes long enough to breed to find any of this out yet.

    1 super pastel to a normal will get you ALL pastel babies...no percentages involved.

    Super to super will get you ALL supers.

    Super to regular pastel will get a chance at both pastels and supers, but no normals.
  • 08-19-2010, 10:40 PM
    SnakeKB
    Ah ok. I learn more everyday. Thanks for clearing that up.
  • 08-19-2010, 11:59 PM
    baxter1209
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    how do you get bees, killer bees, or pies??
  • 08-20-2010, 12:07 AM
    Beardedragon
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    Bees = PastelxSpider
    KillerBees= Its a super pastel spider, so In simpler terms, superPastelxBee to get them, but there are many more ways of making them, that is just the more failproof way of doing so. You can also do PastelxBee to get them, but you have a lower chance of hitting the killer. The key thing is that one of the parents has spider in it, and both have to have pastel in them.

    Pies

    INGREDIENTS
    1 package (15 ounces) refrigerated pie crusts

    1 cup sugar

    1/4 cup flour

    1 1/2 teaspoons McCormick® Apple Pie Spice

    8 cups thinly sliced peeled Granny Smith apples

    1 tablespoon butter

    DIRECTIONS1. Preheat oven to 400°F. Prepare pie crusts as directed on package for two-crust pie using 9-inch pie plate.

    2. Mix sugar, flour and apple pie spice in small bowl. Sprinkle over apples in large bowl; toss to coat well. Spoon into pastry-lined pie plate. Dot with butter. Top with second pie crust. Seal and flute edge. Cut small slits in top crust. Brush crust with beaten egg and sprinkle with additional sugar, if desired.

    3. Bake 45 to 50 minutes or until crust is golden brown and filling is bubbly. Cool on wire rack.
  • 08-20-2010, 12:27 AM
    kb1290
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Beardedragon View Post
    Pies

    INGREDIENTS
    1 package (15 ounces) refrigerated pie crusts

    1 cup sugar

    1/4 cup flour

    1 1/2 teaspoons McCormick® Apple Pie Spice

    8 cups thinly sliced peeled Granny Smith apples

    1 tablespoon butter

    DIRECTIONS1. Preheat oven to 400°F. Prepare pie crusts as directed on package for two-crust pie using 9-inch pie plate.

    2. Mix sugar, flour and apple pie spice in small bowl. Sprinkle over apples in large bowl; toss to coat well. Spoon into pastry-lined pie plate. Dot with butter. Top with second pie crust. Seal and flute edge. Cut small slits in top crust. Brush crust with beaten egg and sprinkle with additional sugar, if desired.

    3. Bake 45 to 50 minutes or until crust is golden brown and filling is bubbly. Cool on wire rack.

    :rofl: Gave him what he asked for lol

    Baxter read through the stickies in the BP Morphs and Genetics section that should clear up a lot of your questions.
  • 08-20-2010, 08:22 AM
    baxter1209
    Re: pastel with normal?...
    haha he did and thanks:)
  • 05-21-2013, 08:06 PM
    snakegirl123427
    Pastel x normal
    I just produced what appears to be all pastels from a pastel x normal pairing. Never thought that was possible. The dad is definitely not a super but he is an unusual pastel. He has crazy patterning and is really dull like a pastel axanthic. I was told by the person I got him from that he is not pastel axanthic. I can't remember what he said he was.
  • 05-21-2013, 09:06 PM
    Inarikins
    It's possible. Each egg has a 1/2 shot of being a pastel. You just got lucky and they all turned out pastel. Remember, odds aren't based on the clutch as a whole, but for each individual egg.
  • 05-21-2013, 09:12 PM
    Mike41793
    pastel with normal?...
    Pastel to normal can produce all pastels. The odds are PER EGG, not per clutch.
  • 05-21-2013, 09:52 PM
    hypnotixdmp
    Check this link out, this is my pastel x normal clutch ;)
    http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...3-6-babies-out
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