Any het red experts out there?

I paired these two up and the eggs are hatching.

http://www.metalmonkeyexotics.com/bl...k-20100119.jpg

Out of that clutch I got one 'normal' normal, one crazy normal, 3 'normal' lessers that look like every other lesser I've hatched this year, and then this boy. Third picture is him with one of my normal lessers. Do I have a het red female and not know it? :O

http://www.metalmonkeyexotics.com/bl...whatisit-1.jpg

http://www.metalmonkeyexotics.com/bl...whatisit-2.jpg

http://www.metalmonkeyexotics.com/bl...whatisit-3.jpg

Either way I should find out next year, soon as this guy is up to size he's going right back to the dame to find out for sure. :D

I'm no expert, however when het reds come out of the egg they look...well....axanthic. And gain color as they age.
But, that baby does look cool, I say do the pairing again and see what happens.:)

I dunno what you have there, but he looks AWESOME! :D

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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs

I'm no expert, however when het reds come out of the egg they look...well....axanthic. And gain color as they age.
But, that baby does look cool, I say do the pairing again and see what happens.:)

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I know the red axanthics do that, wasn't aware the het reds did too. I'm mainly going off a comparison of the lesser het reds from Corey Woods' site, clutch 27.

Kinda off topic, but what do you lay your babies on to get such a nice picture on a white backdrop?

BTW, VERY COOL BABIES

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Originally Posted by Courtney281

Kinda off topic, but what do you lay your babies on to get such a nice picture on a white backdrop?

BTW, VERY COOL BABIES

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Believe it or not, white sterilite tub tops make a great backdrop for smaller snakes. :gj:

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

I know the red axanthics do that, wasn't aware the het reds did too. I'm mainly going off a comparison of the lesser het reds from Corey Woods' site, clutch 27.

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Yes, and that lesser is more black and white compared to most, and compared to your hatchling. You can always give Corey a call though, he's great about getting back to calls (not so great with emails) and ask his opinion. He would have a lot of insight I'm sure.:)

I do not see any het red in that female.

Given I am not an "expert" but your Lesser male, could have something else going on with him.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

I do not see any het red in that female.

Given I am not an "expert" but your Lesser male, could have something else going on with him.

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I'm with Pat on this one. It might just be the lighting in the pic, but the lesser looks like it has a lot more chance of having some surprise morph mixed in than the normal does.

We've bred the lesser male to several females, and they have all looked like him. He is a different looking lesser, but whatever he is, THIS pairing with this female has produced this unlikely lesser hatchling.

Here is a better pic of the female, which is where I think the curve ball came from.
http://www.metalmonkeyexotics.com/bl...sybee-laid.jpg

Any more opinions?

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

I do not see any het red in that female.

Given I am not an "expert" but your Lesser male, could have something else going on with him.

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Originally Posted by JLC

I'm with Pat on this one. It might just be the lighting in the pic, but the lesser looks like it has a lot more chance of having some surprise morph mixed in than the normal does.

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I didn't think so either, until I saw this het red at Ralph Davis's site, fourth picture from the left, showing a het red with a red axanthic. :confuzd:

I'm still not finding a picture of a het red hatchling looking like an axanthic... every picture I've found shows them with full color, including Ralph Davis's out of the egg pics on his birthing records.

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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs

I'm no expert, however when het reds come out of the egg they look...well....axanthic. And gain color as they age.
But, that baby does look cool, I say do the pairing again and see what happens.:)

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I've never noticed a het red axanthic looking axanthic at any stage. They do have a 'different' looking color at hatchling but I wouldn't call it axanthic, more like a different shade of brown then normal.

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

I didn't think so either, until I saw this het red at Ralph Davis's site, fourth picture from the left, showing a het red with a red axanthic. :confuzd:

I'm still not finding a picture of a het red hatchling looking like an axanthic... every picture I've found shows them with full color, including Ralph Davis's out of the egg pics on his birthing records.

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Are you sure thats not a normal and a Red Ax???

Given the quality of Red Axathics vary so much, I am hard pressed to "mis-spot" a het red ya know?



http://www.coreywoods.com/ball_birth...1275421838.jpg

http://www.coreywoods.com/ball_birth...1275421840.jpg

Im sure you saw these, but just posting for more "compare and contrast"

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

Are you sure thats not a normal and a Red Ax???

Given the quality of Red Axathics vary so much, I am hard pressed to "mis-spot" a het red ya know?

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It may be I suppose, I had assumed it was showing the two forms together. :P I've emailed both Corey and Ralph asking what they think, but I don't really expect Corey to respond -- he had an auto-reply set up saying so. :8:

When in doubt, breed it out! I figure I'll breed him back to his mother along with a couple other normal girls to see if he reproduces himself, worst case scenario I end up with a couple clutches of lessers, nothing wrong with that! :D

Hit up Corey on facebook. He does more than the daily posting therr, for sure.

Well, Ralph got back to me and said it doesn't look quite like the het red lessers that he's hatched out, but there's definitely influence from the mother. Looks like this is a puzzle that will have to wait until he's ready to breed.

As a side note, the final tally for this clutch was 2.2 lessers, 1.0 normal, and an odd normal that may have been under developed due to a knotted umbilicus and didn't survive.

http://www.metalmonkeyexotics.com/bl...hatchlings.jpg

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Well, Ralph got back to me and said it doesn't look quite like the het red lessers that he's hatched out, but there's definitely influence from the mother. Looks like this is a puzzle that will have to wait until he's ready to breed.

As a side note, the final tally for this clutch was 2.2 lessers, 1.0 normal, and an odd normal that may have been under developed due to a knotted umbilicus and didn't survive.

http://www.metalmonkeyexotics.com/bl...hatchlings.jpg

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As Pat stated, I would talk to Corey Woods. He is the man when it comes to Het Reds. Keep in mind that Het Reds are just that, Het Red Axanthic. They are a codom and some can be very subtle. If you ask me, I think they are one of the codoms that can be the hardest to pick out sometimes. On the flip side, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say those look like some Het Reds that I have seen. The whole black back thing going on and the squiggly marks also. Keep us posted. I'm curious to see what the final verdict is.

Congrats... it's very cool.

Oz