Oh My God... Graphic images

Today was a bittersweet. i had my 2nd clutch ever hatch. normalXpastel. 2 baby's hatched and the 3rd stuck it's head out. the 4th hadn't pipped so i decided to cut, i could tell immediately even with my limited experience something was very wrong. the sweet part was that all 4 babys are pastels. but sadly this 4th one was surely dead. I removed the egg from the incubator and cut the egg open to remove the snake. from the head to about 1/2 way down the body was INSIDE OUT?!?! ok wow that's weird. as i turned the snake over it MOVED! OMG this poor little thing is still alive. I could see the heart beating out in the open. has anyone ever seen this? and does anyone know what could have caused this?

here are pics of the babys
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/z...5603/006-1.jpg
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/z...od5603/007.jpg




last chance if you don't want to see photos of the inside out snake :(






http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/z...od5603/008.jpg
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/z...od5603/010.jpg
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/z...od5603/015.jpg
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/z...od5603/016.jpg


I took a short video showing the heart beating before i euthanized the poor little guy. again, be warned that it is graphic. YouTube - Inside out snake

I am so sorry for your loss. It is hard to loose a baby.

Sorry about the loss, the other two do look smokin:salute:

i'm sorry for your loss wow there have been some oddities this season when it comes to losses I am terribly sorry

Wow that poor little one :(.So sorry this happened.

wow that sucks and for it to be alive like that i quess u gotta take the bad with the good sorry for your loss the others look real good though

I remember reading about a baby born with the heart on the outside before, but nothing like this. I'm so sorry!

There seems to be a lot of malformed babies(overall). I've heard of a few similiar but this is the first pics I've seen. Sorry for the loss, it's never easy to end up with a baby that obviously must be euthanized.
Better luck next clutch. Great looking other babies though.

Terrible loss, I'm so sorry.

My roommate was born with a fair ammount of her organs outside her body...it's not a totally uncommon birth defect in humans and so I guess it happens from time to time with animals, too.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/huma...tside-body.htm

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Originally Posted by davidnizmo

wow that sucks and for it to be alive like that i quess u gotta take the bad with the good sorry for your loss the others look real good though

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very true. I feel bad for the baby but I'm looking on the bright side that my pastel male gave me all pastel babies, I hope his high output of pastels continues when i breed him this upcoming season as he will have a few more females to tend to. Can't wait for the babies to shed to see how nice they stay. the last one is still in the egg, but it's head is out and i expect it to be out tomorrow morning. so far, i'm 1.1 and the female is a feisty little thing, she bit me 6 times in the time it took to pop her lol

this is daddy
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/z...od5603/081.jpg

Just like people, all snakes do not hatch out normal. If the rest were normal, who knows what went wrong?:confused:

That is great odds for a regular pastel! Better luck next time! Poor little thing!

Unbelievable. Reminds me of spinal bifida in babies (Say nothing, Skiploder).
:( I'm sorry for your loss but congrats on the others.

So sorry for your loss. I have heard of several instances where some organs are on the outside, but have never seen it in person. I am sure it is a very difficult thing to experience.

I am glad the others are OK. They are very nice pastels. Congrats.

update: all 3 surviving babies are healthy little pastel females, fantastic odds. someone was telling me yesterday that some people believe there is such a thing as a het pastel but no one has proved it. has anyone heard about this before?

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/z...03/pastels.jpg

Sorry for your loss. The other pastels look great though.

Pastels are co-dominant. They are the Het form of the homozygous Super Pastel. So a normal looking ball python can't have the pastel gene, unless it's a bad browned out pastel.

I have to say I am watching my babies slowly coming head and tongue sent a couple pics to a good friend of mine both parents dubbed on here "pretty normals" and well my babies look like pastels not normals......just saying maybe theres more to it it's not an exact science after all and though mine aren't completely out yet (that's when I'll post pics) I doubt they're normal.

So sad about the litte hatchling.You can't go wrong with a clutch of all pastels though!

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Sorry for your loss. The other pastels look great though.

Pastels are co-dominant. They are the Het form of the homozygous Super Pastel. So a normal looking ball python can't have the pastel gene, unless it's a bad browned out pastel.

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I fully understand that. what i heard is that some people believe there can be hets. it was just the first i heard of it and i'm wondering if other people have heard of it. as i think about it, i wonder if it can be possible. it would be nice if someone with a better understanding of genetics could chime in on this. just hear me out, what if you had a baby that inherited the pastel gene but the normal trait over rides the pastel trait. i know typically if it has the pastel gene, then it shows. but it could be possible for the gene to get hidden...

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Originally Posted by hotrod5603

I fully understand that. what i heard is that some people believe there can be hets. it was just the first i heard of it and i'm wondering if other people have heard of it. as i think about it, i wonder if it can be possible. it would be nice if someone with a better understanding of genetics could chime in on this. just hear me out, what if you had a baby that inherited the pastel gene but the normal trait over rides the pastel trait. i know typically if it has the pastel gene, then it shows. but it could be possible for the gene to get hidden...

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Pastels ARE hets....visible hets for the homozygous super pastel. I've not personally heard of het for pastels though.

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