What will these Morphs be worth

In your best estimate, what will these snakes be worth 3 years from now?

try to give male and female and pair prices (if you have the time)

1.1 Super Pastel Double Het (Ghost Clown)
1.1 Pastel Double Het (Ghost Clown)
1.1 Double Het (Ghost Clown)

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Originally Posted by drummerdude

In your best estimate, what will these snakes be worth 3 years from now?

try to give male and female and pair prices (if you have the time)

1.1 Super Pastel Double Het (Ghost Clown)
1.1 Pastel Double Het (Ghost Clown)
1.1 Double Het (Ghost Clown)

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There is no way to know.. Period

ok, then what do you think they are worth this year?

yep- thats the only right answer. but i think u must be really lucky to even find these morphs- d.h. in combo with a co dom are really rare today- and i bet then too.

I am planning on producing these and I am trying to figure out if I sell half of the babies, whether its a worth while investment.

my best advise is- buy a super pastel ghost (cost a bit- probably more than 1k) and a clown- and breed em.

then (with much luck)u could have breedable pastel d.h. ghost clown in three years.

but the odds to really hit on the super pastel ghost clown, are really hard.
1 out of 64 would be a super pastel candied clown (when u breed pastel d.h. x pastel d.h.)

I am planning on breeding 1.0 Pastel Clown to 0.5 Pastel Orange Ghost

a pair of Super Pastel double hets, would yield 1 in 16 super pastel ghost clown.

The reason I am looking for numbers is I have a family member that is thinking of making it 0.10 POGs and 2.0 Pastel clown, but they need to see an estimate of the money that could be made, I plan on keeping 1/2 of the babies.

Selling double hets is a tricky thing. You're going to need a good reputation..Because something like a super pastel DH Clown Ghost wont be cheap..and people aren't willing to lay that kind of money down on a DH or 1:16 shot with someone they haven't done business with many times in the past,,

I see what you are saying, and I would sell a little below market for that reason. but if selling half of the babies from 5 clutches is only going to yield $4000, thats not really worth the initial investment + cost of heating and feeding. but if $20,000 is doable from a new breeder from half of 10 clutches, then its well worth it. that's what I am trying to figure out.

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Originally Posted by drummerdude

I see what you are saying, and I would sell a little below market for that reason. but if selling half of the babies from 5 clutches is only going to yield $4000, thats not really worth the initial investment + cost of heating and feeding. but if $20,000 is doable from a new breeder from half of 10 clutches, then its well worth it. that's what I am trying to figure out.

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Figure 60% of the females will breed lay and hatch every year so 0.5 mean on average 3 of them are going to lay.. now an average of 6 eggs per female means 18 eggs with on average 4 being super pastel DH (remember those are still 1:4) the rest will be normal DH's and Pastel DH's.. So 4 super pastel's DH and say you get 2.2 I wouldn't be willing to pay more than 1200.00 for a male and 1500.00 right now for a female.. Cause for about that I can buy a clown female today or in three years a Pastel Clown or a Killer clown.. so if you sold everything.. Not including overhead you'd be lucky if you got perfect odds to clear 15000.00 .. But remember you might beat the odds..

would it be a cool long term project..sure.. Could you make that 20K just breeding 1.5 clowns together sure.. 5 clown females = 30 eggs all are clowns even at low ball in the crapper prices of 750.00-1000.00 for poor quality crap clowns that 22,500.00 and you don't have to worry about odds. ;)

the 20K was assuming the investor likes the project, and that would be 20K from 0.10 females.

[QUOTE=drummerdude;1400752]I see what you are saying, and I would sell a little below market for that reason.QUOTE]

thats not nice:(

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Originally Posted by drummerdude

I see what you are saying, and I would sell a little below market for that reason.QUOTE]

thats not nice:(

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I would start at market price, but take offers lower. but seeings as there, currently, is no accurate market to judge what these would be worth, I wouldn't be selling for low prices. I was planning on min. 5K for a pair of super pastel double hets, I might even start them at $7500.

with 10 females and 2 males (as mentioned before) I will be spending close to 15K by the time I buy them, build the room for them, heat them, and feed them for 3 years.

ive heard many of these stories and plans. invest 20k and earn 50k in 3 years:rolleye2:

its not gonna work that way. also just to invest 20k in one project doesnt seem the smartest thing to do(for me). i would buy all kinds of morphs for 500$ to 1500$. breed a bee to a lesser pastel (both in or under the 1k) and u could make a killerqueen which is worth 6 or 7k. pluss the other odds- like killerbees queenbees etc.

buy a pewter and a pastave (both under 1k) and u have the chance to produce the sterling mojo.

and so on and so on.

then buy 15 normals as bonus and let the lesser pastels, bees, pewters etc jump on em.

but thats just the way i would do it.

or look at newer snakes today and breed em into older. like buy a few ultramels and breed em to ghosts, pieds, clowns, mojos, lessers etc. and make hets.

buy ultramel girls and the other morphs as boys. breem em- keep the male hets and breed em to the mother. and if u are lucky u would make lesser ultramels, mojo ultras, pastel ultras etc.

and for the long time keep the d.h. and breed em back to each other. a ultramel glow would easyly go for 25 or 30k.

i personally prefer the first option.

just my 2 cents

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Originally Posted by joe23

ive heard many of these stories and plans. invest 20k and earn 50k in 3 years:rolleye2:

its not gonna work that way. also just to invest 20k in one project doesnt seem the smartest thing to do(for me). i would buy all kinds of morphs for 500$ to 1500$. breed a bee to a lesser pastel (both in or under the 1k) and u could make a killerqueen which is worth 6 or 7k. pluss the other odds- like killerbees queenbees etc.

buy a pewter and a pastave (both under 1k) and u have the chance to produce the sterling mojo.

and so on and so on.

then buy 15 normals as bonus and let the lesser pastels, bees, pewters etc jump on em.

but thats just the way i would do it.

or look at newer snakes today and breed em into older. like buy a few ultramels and breed em to ghosts, pieds, clowns, mojos, lessers etc. and make hets.

buy ultramel girls and the other morphs as boys. breem em- keep the male hets and breed em to the mother. and if u are lucky u would make lesser ultramels, mojo ultras, pastel ultras etc.

and for the long time keep the d.h. and breed em back to each other. a ultramel glow would easyly go for 25 or 30k.

i personally prefer the first option.

just my 2 cents

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they are worth 6 to 7K right now, in three years they'll be under 1K. recessives hold their value way longer than co-doms.

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Originally Posted by merdcme

I would start at market price, but take offers lower. but seeings as there, currently, is no accurate market to judge what these would be worth, I wouldn't be selling for low prices. I was planning on min. 5K for a pair of super pastel double hets, I might even start them at $7500.

with 10 females and 2 males (as mentioned before) I will be spending close to 15K by the time I buy them, build the room for them, heat them, and feed them for 3 years.

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To be perfectly honest and blunt with you - if people don't know who you are, and you haven't built a positive reputation by that time, people are going to be reluctant to invest (and risk) that much money in het animals from you (or anyone else who is a relative "unknown").

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I might even start them at $7500

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To be honest unless you gain some reputation by than I don't think I would even buy them for $1000

Hets are a though sale, if no one knows who you are and you have no reputation people are not gonna take the risk.

My advice to you start building your reputation NOW, sell some visuals over the next few years, give back to the community, and by than people will be more willing (if interested in that project) to invest with you.

And remember don't count your "snakes" before they hatch, lots of thing can go wrong, breeders being picky feeders and not growing, breeders not breeding as fast as you want them to, slugs, problems with hatchlings etc

Can I ask one simple question before I answer your question? Have you kept ball pythons before?


Thanks,
Bill@OMB

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Originally Posted by OzarkMountainBalls

Can I ask one simple question before I answer your question? Have you kept ball pythons before?


Thanks,
Bill@OMB

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yes I have. but as pets except two which I was going to raise as breeders, but had to sell to upgrade to a van (expanding family)

The only thing I can suggest is to start small. Get a breeding pair and see if you can hatch the eggs out. If it turns out well and you enjoy it, than go for it. There is nothing like blowing 20k and deciding you hate what you are doing. Or finding out there's WAY more to it than what you thought. Just my two cents

Bill@OMB