Cinnamon X Fire

Does anyone know what a cinnamon/fire is called? Pix of one would be cool too.

http://www.constrictors.com/Collecti...allPython.html
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/firemon/

Both great sites, the former for it's pictures AND pricelist. The latter for the collection of just about every morph.

Neither of the sites gave me a price though
Im positive that a firemon wouldnt cost too much

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

http://www.constrictors.com/Collecti...allPython.html
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/firemon/

Both great sites, the former for it's pictures AND pricelist. The latter for the collection of just about every morph.

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You should not have posted that second link, I think I'm having a ball python morph overdose 0.e *grabs at screen* I want them all!!!

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Originally Posted by Tool93

Neither of the sites gave me a price though
Im positive that a firemon wouldnt cost too much

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Constrictors does,

2010 Male Firemon: $1,200.00

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Originally Posted by Tool93

Neither of the sites gave me a price though
Im positive that a firemon wouldnt cost too much

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Constrictors Unlimited > Price list

Scroll.

The answer, anyway, is 1200.

A different site told me it was 2500. I was expecting pewters to be worth more than firemons

I checked and there arent any on kingsnake, but here is the site, may come in useful in the future.

http://market.kingsnake.com/index.php?cat=32

As for cost, really everyone sets their own, but I go with CU because Mike keeps that nice, handy list, and sells them at that cost. he even has one up for sale right now.

Oh, and as for it being less than a Pewter, it seems Fires havent been played with much until lately, and because of this morphs with that gene will likely be more expensive since the combos are fairly new.

Oh, and the morph list states that Pewters were first produced in '03, making them a fairly old morph at this point.

True that. BHB Enterprises jacks their prices way higher than everyone else's

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Originally Posted by Tool93

True that. BHB Enterprises jacks their prices way higher than everyone else's

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That's BHB, though, they're extremely well known and from what I have gathered have a high reputation. It's true that Mike from CU also has a good rep and produces quality animals. But when you buy BHB you pay for the name.

Also if you know any websites that can help me out with punette squares...
I know simple recessives,codoms,and dominates, but trying to draw out bumblebee X pastel, super cinnamon X pastel, or anything like that confuses me. I know im stupid but Im new to the whole ball python scene

I actually dont know of any, however here is one of the posts I made explaining it:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...58#post1385158

Now, as for your particular questions, I'll break them down for you:

Bumblebee x Pastel
From the Bumblebee 50% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Pastel 50% get 1 Pastel gene
So, typical het x het square
50% Pastel
25% Normal
25% Super Pastel
From the Bumblebee 50% get 1 Spider gene
From the Pastel 0% get 1 Spider gene
Typical Het x hom square
50% Spider
50% Normal

Now combine the two traits End Results
.5x.5=.25
25% Pastel Spider (Bumblebee)
25% Pastel
.25x.5=.125
12.5% Spider
12.5% Normal
12.5% Super Pastel Spider (Killerbee)
12.5% Super Pastel

Super Cinnamon x Pastel
I could easily skip this since it would be a Hom x Het square where every trait gets Cinnamon and 50% get Pastel, but I'll do the whole thing for example.
From the Super Cinnamon 100% get 1 Cinnamon gene
From the Pastel 0% get 1 Cinnamon gene
100% Cinnamon
From the Super Cinnamon 0% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Pastel 50% get 1 Pastel gene
50% Pastel
50% Normal

Combine these to get End Results
1.0x.5=.5
50% Cinnamon Pastel (Pewter)
50% Cinnamon

Now, you think that's bad, I could put my dream set up, but I'd get a headache (Ultramel x Panda Pied > Triple hets, breed to panda pied (if that's the female), take the panda pied male offspring and breed each one back to one of the first generation female triple hets.... yeah... headache to write out)

But here is one I just did the results on earlier, I used the same method but didnt bother writing it out, if you take the 3 i posted for you, use the same concept, you can probably come up with each of the sets yourself, if you can then you probably figured it out, and for that you deserve a high five.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...hreadid=125751 (scroll down)

I thought super cinnamon X pastel produces a silver bullet? Where does that come in to play?

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I thought super cinnamon X pastel produces a silver bullet? Where does that come in to play?

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Pewter x Cinnamon
Pewter x Pewter
etc

It's a Super Cinnamon Patel, so it would require both snakes to have the Cinnamon trait and at least one to have the Pastel.

Are your odds of getting one higher if you breed 2 pewters?

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Are your odds of getting one higher if you breed 2 pewters?

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No, actually I believe they are less.... buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut you can produce a Super Pastel Super Cinnamon...

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/super-pewter/

Well, might as well draft it up for you:

Pewter x Cinnamon
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Cinnamon 0% get 1 Pastel gene
50% Pastel
50% Normal
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
From the Cinnamon 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
25% Super Cinnamon
50% Cinnamon
25% Normal

Combine for the End results
.5x.25=.125
12.5% Pastel Super Cinnamon (Silver Bullet)
.5x.5=.25
25% Pastel Cinnamon (Pewter)
12.5% Pastel
12.5% Super Cinnamon
25% Cinnamon
12.5% Normal

Pewter x Pewter
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Pastel gene
25% Super Pastel
50% Pastel
25% Normal
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
25% Super Cinnamon
50% Cinnamon
25% Normal

Combine for your End Results
.25x.25=.0625
6.25% Super Pastel Super Cinnamon (Super Pewter)
.25x.5=.125
12.5% Super Pastel Cinnamon
6.25% Super Pastel
12.5% Super Cinnamon Pastel (Silver Bullet)
25% Pastel Cinnamon (Pewter)
12.5% Pastel
6.25% Super Cinnamon
12.5% Cinnamon
6.25% Normal

Hey, same likelihood, look at that. Well, cool.

BTW, here is a "genetics wizard" but it seems to only do single trait x single trait.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Here's a bad picture of two male cinnamon fires I hatched earlier this year. I bred a fire male to a cinnamon female. They are really getting nice looking as they shed and grow. I'm really surprised as I didn't think I'd like them as much as I do. I'll take updated pictures when I get a chance.

The fire cinnamons are on the left the snake on the right is a cinnamon female.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...FirexCinn2.jpg

Cinny-Fires (or whatever they are called), are much more rare than pewters are. And although they are both dbl co-dom's, it's a no-brainer that the Cinny-Fires would command a higher price.

I was judging on appearances. The firemon isnt as unique as the pewter.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Well, might as well draft it up for you:

Pewter x Cinnamon
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Cinnamon 0% get 1 Pastel gene
50% Pastel
50% Normal
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
From the Cinnamon 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
25% Super Cinnamon
50% Cinnamon
25% Normal

Combine for the End results
.5x.25=.125
12.5% Pastel Super Cinnamon (Silver Bullet)
.5x.5=.25
25% Pastel Cinnamon (Pewter)
12.5% Pastel
12.5% Super Cinnamon
25% Cinnamon
12.5% Normal

Pewter x Pewter
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Pastel gene
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Pastel gene
25% Super Pastel
50% Pastel
25% Normal
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
From the Pewter 50% get 1 Cinnamon gene
25% Super Cinnamon
50% Cinnamon
25% Normal

Combine for your End Results
.25x.25=.0625
6.25% Super Pastel Super Cinnamon (Super Pewter)
.25x.5=.125
12.5% Super Pastel Cinnamon
6.25% Super Pastel
12.5% Super Cinnamon Pastel (Silver Bullet)
25% Pastel Cinnamon (Pewter)
12.5% Pastel
6.25% Super Cinnamon
12.5% Cinnamon
6.25% Normal

Hey, same likelihood, look at that. Well, cool.

BTW, here is a "genetics wizard" but it seems to only do single trait x single trait.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

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You can hold down the ctrl key after your first selection to add more traits :)