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  • 08-02-2010, 09:55 PM
    Steveoo
    3 bee questions
    (1)if you bread a bumble bee x bumble bee will you get a killer bee?
    (2)if you breed a pastel x bumble bee get a killer.
    (3) if you breed a spider to bumble bee what will you get?
  • 08-02-2010, 10:06 PM
    SquamishSerpents
    Re: 3 bee questions
    1) look up "homozygous spider." i don't think you should breed a bumblebee to a bumblebee.

    2) yes, there's a small chance of hatching out a killerbee in a bumblebee x pastel breeding. you could also get a super pastel

    3) again, i don't think you should breed a spider to a bumblebee
  • 08-02-2010, 10:17 PM
    OhhWatALoser
    Re: 3 bee questions
    (1)if you bread a bumble bee x bumble bee will you get a killer bee?
    male = hetrozygous spider, hetrozygous pastel
    female = hetrozygous spider, hetrozygous pastel
    http://www.geneticswizard.com/
    (2)if you breed a pastel x bumble bee get a killer.
    male = hetrozygous pastel
    female = hetrozygous spider, hetrozygous pastel
    http://www.geneticswizard.com/
    (3) if you breed a spider to bumble bee what will you get?
    male = hetrozygous spider
    female = hetrozygous spider, hetrozygous pastel
    http://www.geneticswizard.com/

    as for the homozygous spider, people want to claim its lethal with no proof, atleast I have yet to read any, its only a theory. I think more people should breed spider x spider if they can and report with as much detail as possible, mayb we can figure this puzzle out.

    who knows mayb spider is a complicated gene and it can only be hetrozygous for some reason. then you could breed spiderxspider and expect to yeild 75% spiders. If it appears to be lethal for some reason, then atleast we will know for sure.

    but as far as the calculator goes, your not going to know whats truly going on with any spiderxspider breedings til we figure out the puzzle.
  • 08-02-2010, 10:27 PM
    SquamishSerpents
    Re: 3 bee questions
    i, too, would definitely like to know more about the "homozygous spider" deal, but personally don't want to breed 2 spiders (or spider combinations) to find
    out.

    i know there's got to be lots more information out there that maybe just hasn't surfaced to the general public yet.
  • 08-02-2010, 10:33 PM
    Paysons Bps
    Re: 3 bee questions
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steveoo View Post
    (1)if you bread a bumble bee x bumble bee will you get a killer bee?
    (2)if you breed a pastel x bumble bee get a killer.
    (3) if you breed a spider to bumble bee what will you get?

    1. yes
    2. yes
    3. If you breed a spider to a super pastel you can get killer bees.

    Good luck!
    -Payson!
  • 08-02-2010, 10:37 PM
    dr del
    Re: 3 bee questions
    Hi,

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Paysons Bps View Post
    1. yes
    2. yes
    3. If you breed a spider to a super pastel you can get killer bees.

    Good luck!
    -Payson!

    You are mistaken in your answer to number 3. :(

    Spider to super pastel will give you 50% pastels and 50% bumblebees on average.


    dr del
  • 08-02-2010, 10:46 PM
    Steveoo
    Re: 3 bee questions
    yeah i knew you couldnt get the killer from the spider x bumble bee cause you need the supper pastel, that one i was wondering % on.
    so you "cant"/shouldnt breed two spiders? because of possible death to young? and the reasoning behind the death is unsure? i just want to make sure im understanding whats being said
    and are there any other morphs like this that cant be bread into themselves?
  • 08-02-2010, 10:47 PM
    ballpython911
    Re: 3 bee questions
    if you want killers
    i suggest you breed a super pastel x bumblebee
    that'll give you 25% pastels, 25% supers, 25% bumblebees and 25% killers!! :)
  • 08-02-2010, 10:50 PM
    Paysons Bps
    Re: 3 bee questions
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dr del View Post
    Hi,



    You are mistaken in your answer to number 3. :(

    Spider to super pastel will give you 50% pastels and 50% bumblebees on average.


    dr del

    Really? I've heard of super pastels X spiders making killer bees. Well my mistake, thanks for the correction. :banana:

    -Payson!
  • 08-03-2010, 12:13 AM
    BAMReptiles
    Re: 3 bee questions
    i totally agree loser, people need to not talk about stuff they dont understand. theres no proof one way or the other that it is homozygous lethal.

    if for some reason the mystery hasnt been unraveled in a few years i plan on testing it extensivly to try and shed some light on the situation
  • 08-03-2010, 05:03 PM
    OhhWatALoser
    Re: 3 bee questions
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BAMReptiles View Post
    i totally agree loser, people need to not talk about stuff they dont understand. theres no proof one way or the other that it is homozygous lethal.

    if for some reason the mystery hasnt been unraveled in a few years i plan on testing it extensivly to try and shed some light on the situation

    I will also be doing it once I can. spider should be able to breed this season, plan on pairing her up with a pastel hypo so hopefully i get a male bumblebee to breed back to her.
  • 08-03-2010, 05:23 PM
    mumps
    Re: 3 bee questions
    I'm just tossing ideas out here, I have no proof; just my own opinions.

    If spiders "wobble", wouldn't the spiderxspider pairing increase the amount of "wobble" in the offspring, and by inbreeding a son/mother spider combo make it even worse? I've seen a lot of people here against inbreeding (as I am), and some who do it with no thought whatsoever (usually driven by the desire to make expen$ive offspring).

    I have a pair of breeding spiders, but I'll never put them together...

    Chris
  • 08-03-2010, 05:51 PM
    dr del
    Re: 3 bee questions
    Hi,

    That is always a possibility but the fact the amount of wobble in the offspring seems unrelated to the amount in the parents in all spider breedings to other morphs it is far from a certainty. It might be the cause of any fatalities - or there may be another cause... or it might not happen at all.

    It is simply another of the questions that has not yet been definitively answered.


    dr del
  • 08-03-2010, 08:29 PM
    OhhWatALoser
    Re: 3 bee questions
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mumps View Post
    I'm just tossing ideas out here, I have no proof; just my own opinions.

    If spiders "wobble", wouldn't the spiderxspider pairing increase the amount of "wobble" in the offspring, and by inbreeding a son/mother spider combo make it even worse? I've seen a lot of people here against inbreeding (as I am), and some who do it with no thought whatsoever (usually driven by the desire to make expen$ive offspring).

    I have a pair of breeding spiders, but I'll never put them together...

    Chris

    the degree of the spider's wooble has alot of examples of it being completly random, like how much white will your pied have? doesn't matter if you breed a high white pied to a high white pied, you can still get low/no white babies. spider's wooble seems to be the same way, a low wooble spider can throw high wooble babies, sometime you can have siblings one has a bad wooble the other doesn't. all evidence seems to point toward it being random. The spider I have doesn't wooble at all, but it doesn't mean im expecting the babies not to have woobles.

    When someone comes forth with any proof of inbreeding having any negative effect besides something being line bred for 3+ generations, mayb i will give it a thought. until then it just rumors to me.

    see problem is people like to make alot of claims and some stick, like homozygous spider being a lethal gene. and im even guilty of spread that rumor at one point because everyone said it and i thought it was just fact. But try researching it and there not one shred of evidence of it being lethal. only thing we know is there is not a known homozygous spider. it could be a complicated gene and there nothing deadly about it. mayb it is lethal. we don't know tho.

    lemme ask you, why do you not believe in inbreeding? just because so many people claim its bad right? it must be true, then they say people only do it to make money. makes sense we see greedy people everywhere in our everyday lives, so again must be true. but again try researching it. lemme know what you find.
  • 08-03-2010, 09:31 PM
    BAMReptiles
    Re: 3 bee questions
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser View Post
    the degree of the spider's wooble has alot of examples of it being completly random, like how much white will your pied have? doesn't matter if you breed a high white pied to a high white pied, you can still get low/no white babies. spider's wooble seems to be the same way, a low wooble spider can throw high wooble babies, sometime you can have siblings one has a bad wooble the other doesn't. all evidence seems to point toward it being random. The spider I have doesn't wooble at all, but it doesn't mean im expecting the babies not to have woobles.

    When someone comes forth with any proof of inbreeding having any negative effect besides something being line bred for 3+ generations, mayb i will give it a thought. until then it just rumors to me.

    see problem is people like to make alot of claims and some stick, like homozygous spider being a lethal gene. and im even guilty of spread that rumor at one point because everyone said it and i thought it was just fact. But try researching it and there not one shred of evidence of it being lethal. only thing we know is there is not a known homozygous spider. it could be a complicated gene and there nothing deadly about it. mayb it is lethal. we don't know tho.

    lemme ask you, why do you not believe in inbreeding? just because so many people claim its bad right? it must be true, then they say people only do it to make money. makes sense we see greedy people everywhere in our everyday lives, so again must be true. but again try researching it. lemme know what you find.


    i generally hate when people quote long posts lol but you sir hit the nail square on the head. too much rumor and hearsay from people who know nothing of genetics goin on with spiders atm. too many threads also, there's at least 1 new spider thread a day lol
  • 08-03-2010, 09:42 PM
    Steveoo
    Re: 3 bee questions
    but the problem is is that its all rumor. everyone wants an answer to something no one fully know and the people that "do know" ether havent spoken load enough or arent being taken serious
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