How to create a Killer Butter Bee?

Could you make a Killer Butter Bee by breeding a Killer Bee to a Butter? Or would you have to breed a Bumble Bee to a Pastel Butter that way you get the pastel gene from both parents? Or could you do both? PLEASE help me out :)

Thanks!
~SC

You can't do it the first way, but you can the second. Both parents need to have the Pastel gene.

Also...if you are not white Big Gunns is highly offended by your forum name.:D

Not really...but

break it down like this:

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Killer butter bee:
- homozygous for pastel trait
-heterozygous for spider trait
- heterozygous for butter trait
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Both parents have to carry the pastel trait to create an animal that is homozygous for the pastel trait.

For each of the heterozygous traits (spider and butter), only one parent has to carry.

So possible breedings:

butter spider pastel x pastel
butter pastel x spider pastel

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Also...if you are not white Big Gunns is highly offended by your forum name.:D

Not really...but

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I'm white. No worries.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

break it down like this:

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Killer butter bee:
- homozygous for pastel trait
-heterozygous for spider trait
- heterozygous for butter trait
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Both parents have to carry the pastel trait to create an animal that is homozygous for the pastel trait.

For each of the heterozygous traits (spider and butter), only one parent has to carry.

So possible breedings:

butter spider pastel x pastel
butter pastel x spider pastel

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Ohhhhh!! It's basically the killer queen but with the butter gene instead of the lesser! Now it makes sense. Thanks everybody :)

yep exactly and there are many ways to do it.

queenbee (butter queen bee) x pastel/ super pastel
bumblebee/ killerbee x butter pastel/ butter superpastel
bel pastel x bumblebee/killerbee

and so on...


basically u need both parents that carry the pastel gene (ether in hetero or homo form). and u need animals that carrys the butter and the spider gene also.

than basically all different kombos can do it.

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Originally Posted by joe23

yep exactly and there are many ways to do it.

queenbee (butter queen bee) x pastel/ super pastel
bumblebee/ killerbee x butter pastel/ butter superpastel
bel pastel x bumblebee/killerbee

and so on...


basically u need both parents that carry the pastel gene (ether in hetero or homo form). and u need animals that carrys the butter and the spider gene also.

than basically all different kombos can do it.

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Ok I understand now. Thank you very much. You wouldn't happen to know the combo with the best odds of getting the killer butter queen off the top of your head would you?

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Originally Posted by stupidcracker00

I'm white. No worries.



Ohhhhh!! It's basically the killer queen but with the butter gene instead of the lesser! Now it makes sense. Thanks everybody :)

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off subject but :
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Also...if you are not white Big Gunns is highly offended by your forum name.

Not really...but
I'm white. No worries.



hahaha totally took me to clercks lol he's takin it bacy yo

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Originally Posted by joe23

yep exactly and there are many ways to do it.

queenbee (butter queen bee) x pastel/ super pastel
bumblebee/ killerbee x butter pastel/ butter superpastel
bel pastel x bumblebee/killerbee

and so on...


basically u need both parents that carry the pastel gene (ether in hetero or homo form). and u need animals that carrys the butter and the spider gene also.

than basically all different kombos can do it.

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Originally Posted by JEWSKIN

off subject but :
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Originally Posted by Big Gunns View Post
Also...if you are not white Big Gunns is highly offended by your forum name.

Not really...but
I'm white. No worries.



hahaha totally took me to clercks lol he's takin it bacy yo

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May I just ask... WHAT???

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Also...if you are not white Big Gunns is highly offended by your forum name.:D

Not really...but

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lmbo!!!!

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Originally Posted by stupidcracker00

Ok I understand now. Thank you very much. You wouldn't happen to know the combo with the best odds of getting the killer butter queen off the top of your head would you?

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out of the ones he posted

queenbee (butter queen bee) x pastel/ super pastel
6.25% /w pastel
12.5% /w super
bumblebee/ killerbee x butter pastel/ butter superpastel
6.25% /w bumble n pastel
12.5% /w killer n pastel
12.5% /w bumble n super
25% /w killer n super
bel pastel x bumblebee/killerbee
12.5% /w bumble
25% /w killer

figure if you count a super pastel as a 2 gene snake (dont start the frickin debate on this) 4 genes between the 2 snakes will give you a 6.25% chance, 5 genes will give you a 12.5%, 6 genes will give you a 25% chance

7 genes would give you a 50% chance, BEL super pastel x killer bee, tho I don't think a BEL super pastel exists lol.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

out of the ones he posted

queenbee (butter queen bee) x pastel/ super pastel
6.25% /w pastel
12.5% /w super
bumblebee/ killerbee x butter pastel/ butter superpastel
6.25% /w bumble n pastel
12.5% /w killer n pastel
12.5% /w bumble n super
25% /w killer n super
bel pastel x bumblebee/killerbee
12.5% /w bumble
25% /w killer

figure if you count a super pastel as a 2 gene snake (dont start the frickin debate on this) 4 genes between the 2 snakes will give you a 6.25% chance, 5 genes will give you a 12.5%, 6 genes will give you a 25% chance

7 genes would give you a 50% chance, BEL super pastel x killer bee, tho I don't think a BEL super pastel exists lol.

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sorry- i just tuned in, but he explained it the best way. if u have such questions in future, u can use a tool called wizard (or genetic calculator).

heres a link to that one i use sometimes:

http://geneticcalculator.traxxtec.de/en/rechner.aspx- u can put as much morphs in as u want- plus there are all in hetero and homozygote form- and u got beside the balls,the retic, burm, corn, boa and leopard gecko morphs. dont know if its better than the wizard, but it is the calculator that i like the most- its available in english too.


too answer ure question- really the best odds would u get, when u breed a killerbee to a super butter super pastel (which -to my knowledge- didnt exist yet). from this breeding u would get the half butter killerqueens and the other half butter super pastels.

just played a bit with the calculator. if u breed a killerbee to a super butter killerbee, u would get 25% butter super pastels and 75% butter killerqueens (of which 25% would be homozygot spider gene carrier). at least thats what the calculator says, but i find it weird that not all the babies carry the spider gene. when both parents carry the spider gene- normaly 100% of the babies should carry it too- or am i wrong?

but i think the first example is more realistic today. i do know that a BEL pastel exist today (i think ralph davis produced it, but im not 100% sure). so i think in near future someone will hit on the BEL super pastel. i bet someone is working on it right now...

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Originally Posted by joe23

just played a bit with the calculator. if u breed a killerbee to a super butter killerbee, u would get 25% butter super pastels and 75% butter killerqueens (of which 25% would be homozygot spider gene carrier). at least thats what the calculator says, but i find it weird that not all the babies carry the spider gene. when both parents carry the spider gene- normaly 100% of the babies should carry it too- or am i wrong?

but i think the first example is more realistic today. i do know that a BEL pastel exist today (i think ralph davis produced it, but im not 100% sure). so i think in near future someone will hit on the BEL super pastel. i bet someone is working on it right now...

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i hate all those pre made calcs, this one can't get screwed up..... http://www.geneticswizard.com/

spider gene can only be het to our knowledge, so its impossible to have a 100% chance for spider babies. both parents having the spider gene would give you 25% normal, 50% spider, 25% homozygous spider(which to date does not exists and hasn't been proven and that why its thought to be lethal)

the pair you listed should yield 50% killer butter spiders and 50% killer butters

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

i hate all those pre made calcs, this one can't get screwed up..... http://www.geneticswizard.com/

spider gene can only be het to our knowledge, so its impossible to have a 100% chance for spider babies. both parents having the spider gene would give you 25% normal, 50% spider, 25% homozygous spider(which to date does not exists and hasn't been proven and that why its thought to be lethal)

the pair you listed should yield 50% killer butter spiders and 50% killer butters

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no- the calculator i used was right. u would get 25% butter super pastels and 75% butter killerqueens. i just backed it up with the wizard.

the first breeding yes- would give u 50/50, but the second breeding would give u 75/25


but thanks for the answer with the spider. i heard that to, that the hom form should be leathel, but i thought that was an unproven rumor.

Whether or not the spider gene is homozygous lethal, you would still get normals when breeding spider to spider(assuming neither is the legendary homozygous spider). Each parent has a 50/50 chance of passing the gene, so there is a chance they could both not pass the gene. Same goes for breeding pastel to pastel or lesser to lesser(insert any other codom here), you can produce normals with these pairings.

The only time you will not produce normals is if one parent is homozygous for a codom trait(ie super pastel or super lesser bel), or if both parents are homozygous recessives.

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Originally Posted by joe23

no- the calculator i used was right. u would get 25% butter super pastels and 75% butter killerqueens. i just backed it up with the wizard.

the first breeding yes- would give u 50/50, but the second breeding would give u 75/25

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Guess i read it wrong, you were talking about a killer BEL so i guess i missed the 2nd parent also having a spider gene. but good luck telling if you have a killerbee BEL lol.

spiders a bad one to calculate anyways because we really don't know whats going on with it, if it is leathal, then you would have a 33% chance for normal 66% for spider, since the homozygous form dies. if its a more complicated gene than we think and for some reason it only exists in het form, then it would be 25/75