Tail bent?

I was looking at one of hatchlings that was still in the egg, and I noticed the very tip of his tail is bent? Has anyone ever seen it? He put it back down in the egg so you can't see it now so I can't take pics. As soon as he's out I will post some pics, but is this just something stupid that will heal? I've seen kinks and all kinds of wacky stuff, but this was kind of weird. Really hoping it isn't genetic either.

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Originally Posted by Animals As Leaders

I was looking at one of hatchlings that was still in the egg, and I noticed the very tip of his tail is bent? Has anyone ever seen it? He put it back down in the egg so you can't see it now so I can't take pics. As soon as he's out I will post some pics, but is this just something stupid that will heal? I've seen kinks and all kinds of wacky stuff, but this was kind of weird. Really hoping it isn't genetic either.

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The very tip of the tail is a pretty common place for kinks. That's why you see a lot off nubby tailed caramels. Some breeders clip it off.

How would you go about clipping it off?

I know this sounds horrible but I am wondering how the animal will shed and develop. Is there bone at the tip? Its such a hard bend I can't imagine it being more then skin. Could this just have happened from the incubation? This was my first clutch and I think they might have got too wet, so I am wondering if that was the issue. I lost two in this clutch as well. One was a deform dead in the egg, and the other was just a tiny little guy with umbilical issues. Starting to think this is just going to be a problem clutch. But two of the four look fine so far. Still in the egg, but I saw the tails and they were fine. Hopefully no kinks in the back...

Hi,

There is bone all the way to the tip of the tail.

Is it possible to get a picture of it?

I don't know how I feel about the idea of clipping the end of the tail off if I'm honest. :oops:


dr del

The last snake shipped to me arrived with a kinked/bent tail. It sucks but I wouldn't dare clip it. In my case, the kink is right where the tail meets the body, over the vent. I can't even pop him for fear of hurting him. So far, it doesn't seem to be interfering with his basic bodily functions and I think cutting anything off of an otherwise healthy animal is just barbaric. I have no doubt it would be painful and I can't think of any real purpose for it. I'd rather have my kinked baby than a maimed one. :(

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Originally Posted by Animals As Leaders

How would you go about clipping it off?

I know this sounds horrible but I am wondering how the animal will shed and develop. Is there bone at the tip? Its such a hard bend I can't imagine it being more then skin. Could this just have happened from the incubation? This was my first clutch and I think they might have got too wet, so I am wondering if that was the issue. I lost two in this clutch as well. One was a deform dead in the egg, and the other was just a tiny little guy with umbilical issues. Starting to think this is just going to be a problem clutch. But two of the four look fine so far. Still in the egg, but I saw the tails and they were fine. Hopefully no kinks in the back...

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You shouldn't clip it IMO. The only reason people do it is so they can try to sell the snakes as being kink free. It does not do anything to help the snake.

I'm no expert but I don't think I'd clip it except... if it prevents him from passing fecal matter out or something like that.

AHHHH ok....I thought maybe it wasn't as nasty of a process. Guess I was wrong. Such a weird spot to be kinked.

I thought it was going to make an issue for the baby. Whether it be shedding, or something else. Will they be able to breed j.w?

I also have a kinked hatchling this year but its a little more than the tip of the tail. I personally wouldn't breed it but I'm also not sure if the kinks are genetic or happen during incubation so I take that into consideration.

I don't think its genetic...I don't know if they would be able to lock though because he can't wrap up with the female right. I got four babies in this clutch and a normal, and a pastel have the same problem. Same spot too. Thats the only thing that I thought was peculiar.

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I don't think its genetic...I don't know if they would be able to lock though because he can't wrap up with the female right. I got four babies in this clutch and a normal, and a pastel have the same problem. Same spot too. Thats the only thing that I thought was peculiar.

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I may be reading your question wrong, but why wouldn't he be able to lock up? I am talking about the kink being literally at the final scale of the tail. Not a kink any further up the body. Could you maybe post a pic? Breeding him is up to you. I wouldn't if it were mine though.

No way would I breed this snake nor your pastel. I would not even sell them to anyboby just in case one day they decided to breed them.
There is only one way to find out if it's genetic and that is to breed them, I would not chance getting that line out to unsuspecting buyers.
IMHO if I were to find out a collector had bred a kinked animal, I would never by 'any' animals from them, ever.
I produced my first ever double morph this year, the only one out of 2 clutches, and she was beautiful. Unfortunately she had a nasty kink. I decided under these circumstances that she be euthanized.
If your goal is for a healthy future population of animals and not so much a monetary gain, the decision would be easy.

I never said anything about "gain" here or selling these animals for that matter? Don't know why you would assume that. I'm simply asking a question relax...:)

I don't plan on breeding this guy, but I am curious to see what his babies would look like? Hes awesome looking thats whats sucks. Hes a pastel and his head stripe continues on to his eye stripes, no separation. I mean theres a chance it won't and it will pass on technically. Has anyone ever tried j.w?

Also, if none of the other clutches come out like that is it most likely just a incubation issue?

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I may be reading your question wrong, but why wouldn't he be able to lock up? I am talking about the kink being literally at the final scale of the tail. Not a kink any further up the body. Could you maybe post a pic? Breeding him is up to you. I wouldn't if it were mine though.

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I'll post pics as soon as there out, but the very very tip of the tail is bent completely backward so its touching the back of the animal. Its not a big part of the tail, and when I say the tip I mean the tippy tip. So I can see it being hard for him to "lock" up with the females tail being that the tip is bent.

That sounds more like a fused tail than a kink. Definitely get some pics.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...N/101_0650.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...N/101_0648.jpg

it looks like as pets theyd be fine.... heck id keep them

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Originally Posted by JEWSKIN

it looks like as pets theyd be fine.... heck id keep them

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For sure. I don't know if I'm going to keep the normals as I have plenty lol. The one pastel finally decided to show her self. Shes gorgeous!!


http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...N/101_0652.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...N/101_0653.jpg

and for her poor little tail....
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...N/101_0654.jpg

That last pic looks like an elf's curl toed shoe. Poor thing. I don't really think that would impede its ability to breed. If you did breed it, though, and it produced any kinked offspring, I'd remove it from any further breeding projects. Just my two pennies.

well shes beautiful non the less if you dont want her well i have some room just saying lol



I think elf should be her name hehe

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Originally Posted by JEWSKIN

well shes beautiful non the less if you dont want her well i have some room just saying lol



I think elf should be her name hehe

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I plan on keeping her just because shes unique and from my first clutch. All normals will be up for adoption though.

well count me in soot me an email kalina.jaggers@gmail.com