what 9 snakes are being put on the ban list?

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Indian Python
Burmese Python (stated to be the same as the Indian, although it isn't).
African Rock Pythons (2 sp)
Reticulated Python
4 Anacondas
Boa Constrictor

So what are we to do if we own boas? Has this been passed yet?

It has NOT been passed yet. If you have NOT put in your comment yet, go to USARK's website for instructions on how to do so.
Everyone needs to speak up, because we're not going to have many more chances to do so, if any.

IF PASSED, these species will be added to the Lacey Act's list of injurious wildlife species.

What this means:
You will NOT be able to transport these species across State lines. Permits to do so will be granted only for educational and scientific purposes (pet owners are SOL).
Obviously, if you cannot transport them across State lines, that means you cannot ship them, or sell them, or buy them, across State lines.
You can still keep them, and you can still breed them, and sell them locally.

It makes no sense of why they would make a bill where you can still own, breed and sell locally...I'm pretty damned sure there is at least one snake breeder in every state, and a lot of them will look into getting some of these pythons to breed before this law passes...it's rediculous...and it ticks me off...this would also mean no more reptile expos right? Because how would breeders get to a show in a different state?

oh, i did have a question...weren't ball pythons on the list at first with a lot of others?

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Originally Posted by SnakeLady1990

It makes no sense of why they would make a bill where you can still own, breed and sell locally...I'm pretty damned sure there is at least one snake breeder in every state, and a lot of them will look into getting some of these pythons to breed before this law passes...it's rediculous...and it ticks me off...this would also mean no more reptile expos right? Because how would breeders get to a show in a different state?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the part about transporting them is because they are worried people are taking them to Florida and other areas in the south to be released into the wild.

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Originally Posted by jfreels

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the part about transporting them is because they are worried people are taking them to Florida and other areas in the south to be released into the wild.

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Which is a bunch of crap. It's a shame that one or two retics and balls got out a long time ago in Miami and people FREAKED out. I believe when they opened "hunting season" for pythons in the everglades, they only killed 3??? At least that's what I heard the number was. They actually don't do well in the everglades because the gators are there.

Yeah, and watch shows like Killer Aliens and it's the gators that are in trouble :rolleyes: ;)

Actually, it's looking increasingly like Burms are adapting to the Everglades, and they may be around for some time to come. They're inserting themselves into the food chain as meso-predators, feeding on raccoons, rabbits, rats, opossums, some birds and small alligators, and similar-sized prey. They're being eaten by a variety of predators (including birds and snakes) when young, and by alligators when larger.
Large Burmese are proving to be ill adapted to the Everglades environment, so we can expect to see the smaller individuals being naturally selected for over time. Smaller Burmese have shown that they can more easily handle the weather and survive.
I find it vanishingly unlikely that they can be eradicated at this point. But this Lacey Act proposal will have exactly 0 impact on that issue, and Burms cannot live anywhere else in the US. Well, they could probably survive on Hawaii, but Hawaii already prohibits importation of most every animal.

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Actually, it's looking increasingly like Burms are adapting to the Everglades, and they may be around for some time to come. They're inserting themselves into the food chain as meso-predators, feeding on raccoons, rabbits, rats, opossums, some birds and small alligators, and similar-sized prey. They're being eaten by a variety of predators (including birds and snakes) when young, and by alligators when larger.
Large Burmese are proving to be ill adapted to the Everglades environment, so we can expect to see the smaller individuals being naturally selected for over time. Smaller Burmese have shown that they can more easily handle the weather and survive.
I find it vanishingly unlikely that they can be eradicated at this point. But this Lacey Act proposal will have exactly 0 impact on that issue, and Burms cannot live anywhere else in the US. Well, they could probably survive on Hawaii, but Hawaii already prohibits importation of most every animal.

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after watching the last episode of python wars, Im not so sure that they are "adapting" just my .02

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Hawaii already prohibits importation of most every animal.

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Their are no snakes allowed in Hawaii at all from what I remember from when I used to live there. Jackson Chameleons were cheap over there though. Super cheap. I bought a pair for about $40.00 IIRC.

oh they are adapting rember it took them millions of years to adapt to where they came from. now they are in the glades to properly adapt it will take millions of years. my guess is less then that though as some of the wild burm come from swampy marsh areas same with retics just cuase they aint finding that many right now

burms are found in swampy marsh areas in there natural range same with retics both of which are very good swimmers. i saw somewhere where they have have retics swimming a couple miles out to sea. they just aint found there niche in the glades yet i myself welcome them for 1 reason alone we as an invasive species ourselves have destroyed so many animals habitats it aint funny. now mother nature has showed she will give them a chance in a new area. an apex predator like a burm or retic has very few natural enemies in the wild lets see in there natural range they got what big cats mainly tigars then big crocs as only animals that can take them down a big one not a full sized burm or retic but still in there range the bigger retics and burms eat crocs so for them to be eating gators in the glades is just mother nature at work and it will all balance out in the end even if they were to stop doing there hunting of the big snakes. they make it (the government) makes it sound like they are going to over run the lower states in nothing flat and that just aint going to happen for 1 our winter temps in some of the areas they got to cover to get to the other warmer states is to cold for them in the winter. i been in daytona beach in December threw march and it can get down around freezing at night sometimes a Lil colder(why we loose orange crops from time to time) but have been on the gulf side in the same times at winter and still it gets down around freezeing. but still the upper most part of Florida does get to cold for them to survive unless they adapt first. as i'm sure it does in some of the other gulf lined states

and all this aint caused by people who bought a retic or burm and set it free in the glades that didn't help any but think of all the animal parks and airboat rides there that keep big snakes now rember those hurricanes over the last 20 years that has destroyed allot of building. for them to think they didn't release any of the zoos boas, or python of breeding size is just ridicules. then think of all the animals that get out of there cages during transport into miami airport who just have a short crawl to get into the glades yes a few miles but thats nothing to an animal that may have a range of 5 or 6 miles.

I'm reminded of all the other wild animals that now can be seen in the glades like monkeys flamingos that didn't use to be there 20 years ago are they going to claim we to released those and not that they got loose from zoos that are in the area or from importers who housed tons of animals in a building. when a hurricane hit rember those people just work at the zoo's. so they were more worried about getting themselves out in time not getting the animals out. yes they fortified there cages or buildings allot but when a class 4 comes rolling threw that reinforcing dont do much good and spilled several breeding sized animals into the wild in pairs.

it just sickens me when they the gov claims this is all our fault and yes some people are partially to blame but what about the zoo's, airboat ride side shows, importers and brokers that are in the area. that has lost breeding sized snakes due to improper housing or cuase at time when a hurricane hit it released half a zoo of animals.

and what is our goverments stance on it? to take jobs from people who breed these animals for a living thus possibly putting them and there families out on the street and put them on welfare. isn't our country in bad enough shape with the un-employment % and how far we as a country are in dept that we can afford to take jobs from people just cause of some accidents that caused this cause honestly it aint like thousands of people released a former pet snake into the wild yes maybe a few hundred but whos to say where they released there former baby to could of been out in the sewer up in a colder climate area do they got proof of people dumping huge snakes into the glades if they did why not go after those people no they dont got any proof they are just guessing.

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Originally Posted by SnakeLady1990

this would also mean no more reptile expos right?

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Those aren't the only animals sold at expo's, haha. So expo's would still go on.