Head is out but still no color?

It's day 68 and I finally got one head out. :banana:

But, from the look of things, only his head has a color and his body is still pink. I looked at other people's pipping pictures but nobody has the same stupid cut-job so I can't see beyond the head part to know if my baby's lack of coloration is normal for that stage of development?

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...s07/eggout.jpg

The first thing I think is Spider.

I have been eagerly following this story, so please keep me updated.

Gale

What you're seeing in that picture without color is the underside of the snake.

Looks like a cute little normal.

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Originally Posted by Twisted Reptiles

What you're seeing in that picture without color is the underside of the snake.

Looks like a cute little normal.

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Yeah, the head is black with brownish pattern so definitely a wild-type. :banana: The spider dad has only a little black on the head.

I'm excited. We don't have a wild-type! So, this would be a great addition to our pets! That is, if he comes out okay. Still not out of the woods, I don't think... with all the problems we got.

Aww. He is a cutie though. Good luck with them!

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Originally Posted by Twisted Reptiles

What you're seeing in that picture without color is the underside of the snake.

Looks like a cute little normal.

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i agree.

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Originally Posted by Twisted Reptiles

What you're seeing in that picture without color is the underside of the snake.

Looks like a cute little normal.

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Agreed. The head is completely normal. If the color wasn't in yet the head would be washed out too.

I see baby belly. ;) S/He is a cutie.

S/he is sooo cute! I would light the flashlight onto the eggbox and she would twist her head this way and that - seems like she's trying to figure out if it's an alien abduction or something. LOL. She's a brave one, I think, because she doesn't hide back inside the egg when I light the eggbox up.

I think we'll name her Freedom. You know, from Braveheart... "Frreeeeddddooommm!!!". LOL.

Okay guys, it's starting to really get frustrating.

The 2nd snake FINALLY got his head out as well but he's even worse! He has no color at all! Not even on the head! ARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!
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Still just a camera phone - an iPhone even, one of the worst camera phones out there. So sorry if this is not good quality picture. But, trust me, there is no color on that kid... maybe a very very very light yellow kinda thing but mostly pink all over - including the head.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...7/egg2outb.jpg

There's got to be something I'm doing wrong! Temps at 88.5 running steady, humidity at all time HI on the accurite. Lots of moisture buildup - as in - dripping down, but I got the lid tilted a very slight bit so it is not falling on the eggs themselves - which is a moot point because I've been flushing the eggs with saline except for the last 2 days when I stopped doing that because I'm out of saline.

I punctured 2 good-sized holes on the tupperware lid because I got Freedom out of his egg. By the way, my husband had to untangle Freedom last night because his yolk sack thing was wrapped around his body. :( But he is still doing good... still half-way out, not all the way out, probably because he still has a bit of the yolk sack still hanging off his belly.

I brought up bringing this whole tub of eggs to the vet last night with my husband but he thinks at this point, he doesn't think the vet would do anything other than what we're doing. I told him we weren't ready for this! He told me I'm a drama queen. So yeah, it's a stressful situation.

It's a bee - he's not going to have much color! Congrats!

Awesome congrats u got ur bee so jealous!!!!!

Definitely a Bee, haha. At first I thought you were messing around with us, but I think you're rather serious. Don't worry so much, you have a gorgeous little snake there! Congratulations!

Cheers,
-Matt

Hi,

I would continue to spritz with regular water.


dr del

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Originally Posted by anatess

Okay guys, it's starting to really get frustrating.

The 2nd snake FINALLY got his head out as well but he's even worse! He has no color at all! Not even on the head! ARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!
:(:(:(

Still just a camera phone - an iPhone even, one of the worst camera phones out there. So sorry if this is not good quality picture. But, trust me, there is no color on that kid... maybe a very very very light yellow kinda thing but mostly pink all over - including the head.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...7/egg2outb.jpg

There's got to be something I'm doing wrong! Temps at 88.5 running steady, humidity at all time HI on the accurite. Lots of moisture buildup - as in - dripping down, but I got the lid tilted a very slight bit so it is not falling on the eggs themselves - which is a moot point because I've been flushing the eggs with saline except for the last 2 days when I stopped doing that because I'm out of saline.

I punctured 2 good-sized holes on the tupperware lid because I got Freedom out of his egg. By the way, my husband had to untangle Freedom last night because his yolk sack thing was wrapped around his body. :( But he is still doing good... still half-way out, not all the way out, probably because he still has a bit of the yolk sack still hanging off his belly.

I brought up bringing this whole tub of eggs to the vet last night with my husband but he thinks at this point, he doesn't think the vet would do anything other than what we're doing. I told him we weren't ready for this! He told me I'm a drama queen. So yeah, it's a stressful situation.

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LOL. I'm sorry but this might be the funniest post that I have ever read on here. Congrats. Great looking bee. Now buy a camera so we can see some decent pics.


Also, I would peel back the shell on that one a little. It is hard to tell much of anything on your pic, but it almost looks like it's umbilical may be wrapped around him. Definitely worth taking a look so you don't lose him after going through all of this.

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Did I just sound the most ignorant? OMG.

I hate to ask a bunch of experts, Are you sure...

I've been looking at Deborah's bumblee hatchling picture and the one I have that is now half-way out the egg still looks like Deborah's "inside the egg" picture. And the black "stripes" even look like it didn't all come in.

But then a spider wouldn't have a pink head, right? Dangit. I hate to sound really stupid! I have to eat crow with my husband. I think I just officially became a drama queen. Please tell me I'm not the only one this happened to.

So did you know you paired the spider with a pastel or did you think the pastel was a normal??

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Originally Posted by FatBoy

So did you know you paired the spider with a pastel or did you think the pastel was a normal??

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My husband definitely paired a spider with a pastel. We only have 3 bp's - a spider, a pastel, and an albino. And only the spider is male.

So, yeah, I was hoping for a normal and a bee coz we don't have any of those. But man, the stuff I went through the past 10 days! I just want these guys to come out alive and hopefully without deformities. I already lost one egg (on day 68 at that!), I would hate to have something wrong happen to the others.

The bee's name is gonna be Jack (boy or girl). My husband picked the name out from a Yellow"jack"et - which is a wasp but has the same coloration.

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LOL. I'm sorry but this might be the funniest post that I have ever read on here. Congrats. Great looking bee. Now buy a camera so we can see some decent pics.


Also, I would peel back the shell on that one a little. It is hard to tell much of anything on your pic, but it almost looks like it's umbilical may be wrapped around him. Definitely worth taking a look so you don't lose him after going through all of this.

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DANGIT! You are right. I peeled back some of the eggshell and the yolk is going around his body too like the other one yesterday.

Okay, I know you're going to hate me for saying this, but it takes a LOT of courage for me to even touch the eggshell (I'm a recovering snake-phobic) so I have to wait for my husband to come home from work which is not until 4 hours from now... WILL THAT BE TOO LATE? Or should I just have him get out of work early???

Yeah that's definitely a bumblebee. Looks like a nice one too!

And that's just how hatchlings look when they come out of the egg. Their coloration is more washed out looking, but after they have their first shed you will notice their true colors. Good luck with the other ones awaiting to hatch!

And by the way, when you breed spider to pastel, you get 1/4 (or 25%) normals, 1/4 (or 25%) pastels, 1/4 (or 25%) spiders, and 1/4 (or 25%) bees. So that normal in there is definitely expected in the outcome:)

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Originally Posted by anatess

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...7/egg2outb.jpg

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If that's not a Bee.. and it's alive and not deformed it is Bad ASS!!!

Lucky!! That's a beautiful baby bee! Oh and don't fret too much. You're a first timer. We all start somewhere. ;) :gj:

Okay, hubby is leaving work in 30 minutes. Man, what a rollercoaster!

The sooner you or your husband can take care of that wrapped umbilicus the better. There is some good information in this recent thread:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...bilicus&page=4

Good luck with everything, hopefully it's just a minor tangle!

Cheers,
-Matt

Okay, okay, no more panic. Whew.

Hubby untangled him and he's doing okay. More active than Freedom. His yolk is about the same size as Freedom's too which is interesting coz Freedom has been out a while.

And more news. The rest of the babies are out now too!

Looks like another normal and another... what? He has more black than Jack but not as much black as Freedom but he has that same pink head casper looking dude.

Here's #3 - normal?
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...07/egg4out.jpg

And here's #4 - another one of those wierd looking ones. Spider?
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...07/egg3out.jpg

And all together now -
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l.../eggoutall.jpg

What do you think?

P.S. Nobody else is tangled. Jack (bottom right on the group pic) is a little weak but not as weak as Freedom and he's completely straightened out. Hubby just pushed his body in-and-out of the tangle...

Hi,

I think 2 normals and 2 beeeeeeeeezzzzz!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:


dr del

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Hi,

I think 2 normals and 2 beeeeeeeeezzzzz!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:


dr del

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Wow. I can't believe it. I wanted a normal and a bee and I got 2 of each. Wow. Just wow. I'm very happy.

Uh, uhm... until we have to figure out how to get them to eat something. Another day another crisis. :snake:

Del, how do you know the difference between a normal/pastel/spider/bee right out of the egg? I mean, I can see the difference with the amount of black - that's an easy one - but how do you know the 4th snake is not a spider? Or that the 3rd snake is not a pastel?

Pastel's are bright out of the egg. Lots of head blushing and yellowish pigments.

Spiders, have that typical golden dorsal effect, and look like a spider lol

Normals are pretty obvious too. When there right out of the egg I think its the easiest in terms of spotting which is which. I mean in this type of clutch at least.

Your bees there, well if you can't tell you gotta beautiful bee, well you better go look at some bee pictures missy!! There stunning, congrats again!

Hi,

Totally not an expert at spotting these things :oops: but the heads of the bees look too light and unmarked to be plain spiders to me.

Number three might be a pastel but it's head looks kinda dark - though the neck marking is nice and light.

Watch as it comes out and reveals itself to be a spider now. :P :rolleyes:


dr del

Number 3 is a normal. You have two very nice Bees there though.

Congrats you deff got 2 norms and 2 bees.... spiders tend to come out with pink sides and bellies.... Anythin pink when hatching usually turns white..

here are some pics of my recent spiders right out of the egg...

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...w/CIMG1733.jpg

there is no pink heads lol... congrats again :D

Congrats on a fantastic clutch!

Very entertaining reading your posts! First time snake mom, but coming out awesome!!!

Very cool, congratulations!

lucky 2 bees I got a pieds on my end ( but I was trying for them) I wish I had a bee. This the first year planning breeding I did a pastel to normal and got 2 pastel and 4 normals her a pic to help tell pastels from normals.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...eggs2003-1.jpg

the pastels are the brighter/higher yellow looking ones.

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Originally Posted by Action Reptiles

Congrats you deff got 2 norms and 2 bees.... spiders tend to come out with pink sides and bellies.... Anythin pink when hatching usually turns white..

here are some pics of my recent spiders right out of the egg...

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...w/CIMG1733.jpg

there is no pink heads lol... congrats again :D

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Oh yeah, they look different. They're all so pretty! They look big and plump, tho! Mine looks so tiny compared. I gotta go buy a scale today!

That's how my spider looked when he was little. He's giant now and not as cute looking.

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Originally Posted by mechnut450

lucky 2 bees I got a pieds on my end ( but I was trying for them) I wish I had a bee. This the first year planning breeding I did a pastel to normal and got 2 pastel and 4 normals her a pic to help tell pastels from normals.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...eggs2003-1.jpg

the pastels are the brighter/higher yellow looking ones.

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Okay, Mech, let's see if I get this right... In this picture, you got one pastel in the middle and the rest are normals?

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Okay, Mech, let's see if I get this right... In this picture, you got one pastel in the middle and the rest are normals?

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Two pastels and 3 normals. Look at the gray blushing on the heads of the pastels.

NOOOOO!!!

#3 died. :tears:

I have no clue why. His yolk is still big but it was still attached properly.

He was fine, then he's gone. ZERO movement.

We're down to 1 normal and 2 bees.

Freedom is still weak. He can't die! He just can't!!! He's my one and only normal!!!

awwww, I'm sorry hon.

Don't give up hope just yet.

I hope the others do well for you.

Gale

TODAY'S CRISIS:

Good news - Jack's yolk is completely gone and his egg is empty. He's the 2nd snake that crawled out of the egg (bumblebee). He is plump looking and alert.

Freedom still has a lot of yolk in his egg and he is skinny and weak looking. He's the 1st snake that crawled out of the egg (normal) and he's been out for about a day longer than Jack.

Both Jack and Freedom were tangled in their umbilicus but Jack was easier to untangle out of his than Freedom was.

The other snake (another bumblebee, still un-named) also has yolk but that's to be expected since he was the last to come out.

Okay, I don't know what to do with Freedom. I think I have to just cut off his yolk? Then if I do that, doesn't that mean I have to feed him now?

Sorry guys, I know I've been a pain in this forum but I'm just not so sure what to do and you're my only hope!

THANK YOU all very much for all the help you've provided for my first breeding experience. BP.net rocks.

Really sorry about #3. :( Hope the rest do well.

Those bee's are gorgeous! Congrats. I'm sorry about #3 too. Hopefully the others come out really well. Good luck!

Its better to ask and be safe than to do the wrong thing. Make sure the cord itself is not twisted or kinked because the yolk will not be able to go through it! Do not try to feed until after the first shed which happens in about a week! Sorry about number 3 and good luck with the rest!